Any Zimbabwe qualified South Africans?

[zimlover]

Hhm wrote ''''The only solution is building domestic markets through raising the profile of domestic franchises and their relationship with their provinces. The only attractive way to do that is through locals. In any case, franchise sports is more popular and more relevant than international sports. We've still got the Tuskers & Rhinos etc, to fall back on. Test cricket isn't everything and we shouldn't go out of our way to preserve it by poaching.''''

Well said


Zimdogyy wrote""and brm, i seriously dont think its worth taking cricket to the ghetto. they cant afford equipment, and im sick of these malnourished ghetto types in the scene. they are no good. they are not fit... you arent going to get them to learn the subtle nuances of the game like the upper and middle class do.

hell ... you wouldnt get them to know the subtle nuances of anything....or what that even means...or how to spell it.""

What a very shalow mindset

People in the ghetto are very much capable of playing at a high level and their loyalty can not be questioned, Team like the West indies has over the years produced an excess amount of talent to be very specific most of them from jamaica and kingston which has lots of ghettos.The ghetto type are the ones you should be focusing on not this middle class rubish which has other avenues to persue or just using zim as a stepping stone to go and play in england

[Jemisi]

There is no money to attract any players, black, white or asian.

[ZIMDOGGY]

C'MON...You cant tell me the ghetto dwellers will be more loyal over the $$$$ than the whites. My theory is they will chase it more as they damn well need it more. The reason they dont flee as much is they arent good enough! or dont have the option as some of the whites do (and barring the Craig Ervine who has an irish passport and trenchard all the dual citizens have already gone!!). Mawoyo is on record as saying he would love to play county.

And what current players are from the ghetto? moreso, who cares? they are crap. The ones that are worth their salt... the masakadzas, taylors, sibandas, ervine family.... they are all of middle class stock.


Players drift in and out of the franchise scene as they please, most players retire because they have to commit full time to a system thats paying 100 bucks a week...f*ck that. I wouldnt even play after i played an ODI, a test and a world cup.


You want to see zimbabwe win? you pay the players well and on time.

if we paid well we would have sean ervine, goodwin, ballance etc.

[cock]

Hayibo!!!

Depends, black or white?

If they are white? No.
If they are black? Yes. Provided the father is Zimbabwean, they still have a house in Zimbabwe, and apart from work & higher education, they have no intentions of taking up SA residency at any point.

Neil Johnson scaled great heights at Zim's expense, then split. DH doesn't like him for good reasons. Goodwin also left because he had attachments outside.

The likes of Pocock, Sean Ervine and Gary Ballance left a bitter taste.

This shows that people are selfish with their talent, and will skip at the earliest opportunity. Morgan, Ed Joyce & now delude Rankin come to mind.

I've personally never been particularly proud, perhaps disgusted by the likes of Mutawarira, Tsimba, Chavanga, Mujati etc! What on earth made them think they are more talented than local Black South Africans? All they did was fit into SARU's agenda of suppressing locals.

Even when you go through some schools, you find Tanzanians, Kenyans, and some Zimbabweans etc, filling up some black slots in cricket sides. They are the ones being pushed through deliberately.

All of this is designed to give the impression that it's only foreigners who are interested in sports such as rugby and cricket, but the reality on the ground shows that there's an overwhelming number of Black South Africans involved in the sports at all levels. It went to the point that Home Affairs, as per instruction by the Minister, did not want to give Mutawarira a permit to play for the Springboks, since he was on some special skills permit - as if they did not exist locally!

Why plunder opportunities for locals, or deprive your country a chance to advance internationally?

These are lessons that we should stick to our own and forget the rest. Born, bred, schooled, live, and married in Zimbabwe.!

Fans like you BRM, who are desperate for instant gratification, and are willing to sell the soul of Zimbabwe from the comfort of your living room overseas, you're not really important to the great scheme of things.

Sport isn't just sport any more. It's big business, a career, it's political, and people need to look out for themselves. ZC are stewards for generations which will exist long after you and me are gone. They have a duty to shut out plastic sportspersons, and preserve those opportunities for those deserving.

Like I've said before, cricket will still be cricket, even if we're playing Namibia, Kenya, Tanzania & Afghanistan every year! True lovers of the game will still follow it. Never be desperate to preserve our Test status, or buy success like Man City/Chelsea/Senegal/Algeria! Zimbabwe will never be a loser in any of this. The biggest loser in Zim's fall will be cricket itself because it's a already tiny sport with members from countries where sport isn't even number one/two (NZ, ENG, AUS, SA), all of them sucking up to India.

The only solution is building domestic markets through raising the profile of domestic franchises and their relationship with their provinces. The only attractive way to do that is through locals. In any case, franchise sports is more popular and more relevant than international sports. We've still got the Tuskers & Rhinos etc, to fall back on. Test cricket isn't everything and we shouldn't go out of our way to preserve it by poaching.

hhm you write such dribble. Pocock leaves a bad taste in your mouth because he left with his family as a young boy and is now playing rugby for Aus.You are disgussed with the likes of Mutawarira, Tsimba, Chavanga, Mujati for leaving Zim to play rugby as a profession in SA. Firstly there is no pro rugby in Zim and secondly is there anything wrong with going to work in SA - are you not working there? If you are you must hate yourself

[hhm]

hhm you write such dribble. Pocock leaves a bad taste in your mouth because he left with his family as a young boy and is now playing rugby for Aus.You are disgussed with the likes of Mutawarira, Tsimba, Chavanga, Mujati for leaving Zim to play rugby as a profession in SA. Firstly there is no pro rugby in Zim and secondly is there anything wrong with going to work in SA - are you not working there? If you are you must hate yourself

Once again accurate reading is a prerequisite to understanding, which in turn is a prerequisite to responding appropriately! Considering you needlessly quoted the whole thing, it would've made sense if you at least read it!

I remember mentioning "Provided the father is Zimbabwean, they still have a house in Zimbabwe, and apart from work & higher education, they have no intentions of taking up SA residency at any point." You're the one talking kak where Beast, Muj etc are concerned. Best, Giggs, now Bale have played professionally, but always represented their teams, no matter how pathetic their countries were at international level, with little hope of making Euros/WC or do much if they did. The other two played at a time when salaries in football were rather ordinary.

I'm born to a South African and have been South African since my 3rd birthday. All I remember is that I was always classed and treated as an 'Alien'. I think a lot of you guys in foreign lands are unawre that for some time, Ndebeles were marginalised, even treated like foreigners. What of Zambians, Malawians etc! White people were better off.

Back to the point, the likes of Pocock(and even KP) speaking proudly of being a Wallaby/Australian or English, is the very reason why there's a bad taste. Eoin Morgan has never behaved that way, heck even Murray & McIlroy are sensitive as what they say to avoid upsetting the English, even though they are Scottish&Irish respectively.

I think Zimbabwe can be competitive without importing foreigners. Zimbabwe has always been able to produce talented cricketers from a small playing pool over the years. The teams of the 80s and 90s drawn entirely from the white community were supremely talented and players like Taibu and Chigumbura show that the same potential exists within the black community.

Thumbs up! You have your rare moments.

[bayhaus]

i seriously dont think its worth taking cricket to the ghetto. they cant afford equipment, and im sick of these malnourished ghetto types in the scene. they are no good. they are not fit... you arent going to get them to learn the subtle nuances of the game like the upper and middle class do.
colds, hards , truth.

Shuuucccks! I am too tired to even respond to this fully I grew up in the ghetto and I have to say you quite out of touch.

[Ming]

i seriously dont think its worth taking cricket to the ghetto. they cant afford equipment, and im sick of these malnourished ghetto types in the scene. they are no good. they are not fit... you arent going to get them to learn the subtle nuances of the game like the upper and middle class do.
colds, hards , truth.

Shuuucccks! I am too tired to even respond to this fully I grew up in the ghetto and I have to say you quite out of touch.

Agreed...if Zim is to make any progress beyond its current mediocrity, and with its current means, when have to reach out to the less affluent in the country. The exodus of rich/ middle class kids will continue because cricket does not pay anything close to what they can aspire to. On the other hand, even a franchise salary can be attractive to a kids who do not have much more to look forward to.

Looking at other countries, there are countless examples of players in Pakistan or Afghanistan for example, who did most certainly not go to the local equivalent of St. John's.

I'm just waiting for the next Shapoor Zadran to pop out of Dombotombo or Nyameni to play in the new 50'000 seater stadium I intend to build in Marondera when I'm the new boss of Zimbabwe Cricket.

[Tinashce Ruswa]

i seriously dont think its worth taking cricket to the ghetto. they cant afford equipment, and im sick of these malnourished ghetto types in the scene. they are no good. they are not fit... you arent going to get them to learn the subtle nuances of the game like the upper and middle class do.
colds, hards , truth.

Shuuucccks! I am too tired to even respond to this fully I grew up in the ghetto and I have to say you quite out of touch.

There are still people who reason like this....

Bayhaus if any of you had played against "Gus" aka Zimdoggy at OG's you would've known the sort of a person he is. Zimdoggy I feel everyone has the right to play cricket same way as you have the right to your opinion...You underestimate cricket and the role it played in many a life.I know of, interact with and do business with people who have come from those so called ghettos, played cricket in many a league in the world, have gone to IVY league Universities (Oxford, Harvard, Durham, MIT, LSE etc ) and have transcended your social classes.

So else you are one, have lived in and walked in their shoes, you are not qualified to EVER comment about who deserves what in life..Yours aren't cold hard facts, because reality speaks to the contrary, yours are just fueled by your cognitive dissonance which ultimately betrays one ignorance, reminds me of something Magoo (Craig Evans) said about people who cannot see past their stained glass lenses.

Ignorant posts like that, give other people on this forum HHH the venom to polarize everything (No offense HHH) but at times one wishes that discourse is simply about the game and the team we all are concerned about...

My two words, as you were........

[Jemisi]

I agree, we don't want to fuel Hhm's hatred any further.

[aydee]

at times one wishes that discourse is simply about the game and the team we all are concerned about...

Preach!