[Match Thread] West Indies vs Zimbabwe - 1st ODI

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Re: [Match Thread] West Indies vs Zimbabwe - 1st ODI

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Jemisi mentioned shifting deck chairs in the Titanic, and he raised a valuable point when discussing Mpofu - be rational.

Loyalties and favorites aside, we need to pick our best players for a period of a year, and back them in all formats:
1.Mawoyo, 2.Matsi, 3.Hami, 4.Vusi, 5.Taylor(wk) 6.Williams, 7.Elton, 8.Cremer, 9.Shingi, 10.Jarvis, 11.Mpofu

Outside these few, I can only see the following as being relevant backup:
Batsmen: Vermeulen, Craig
Seamers: Rainsford, Vitori
Spinners: Utseya, Mushangwe
Wicket-keeper: Regis

My reserves have got capable senior and junior options.

I accept that Mawoyo will be a permanent fixture as an opening batsmen, and he's shown ability in the short forms. The reality is Duffin will never be an ODI/T20 option. We need a batsmen with the qualities those two have, and it can be argued that Mark has them, and is a superior batsmen to both. Why ignore him?

I also accept that a lot of faith has been vested in Jarvis, but the bottom line is we're not taking wickets so we need bowlers who do take wickets against good batsmen in all conditions, and Shingi is one of them. If he's not going to replace Jarvis, then he must be in the XI for a containing spinner. Mpofu bailed us our in the Bangladesh Test and in many other games. He always takes wickets and for the most part keeps things quiet.

Forget Ray, and accept that he must be let go. Age is a factor, and even Ponting learnt the hard way. Price is struggling to take wickets in the Logan Cup. All he would do is provide an outlet for the batsmen to relax from the occasional brilliance of the other members of our attack bowling from the other end. Bhaji a spin bowler 10 times better than Price is struggling in Indian wickets. He's much younger - 4 years - and India are persisting with younger players in the hope that they'll develop into a Kumble/Bhaji. Give Price a token appearance, like the Bhaji 100th Test, and that's it!

As much as you guys may not like Matsi, put your criticism and negative inclination aside, and accept that we only have a handful of guys with the same ability to dominate occasionally, and he's one of them! We need capable batsmen against the new ball, and few in that XI can claim to be better than him up front. Matsi hasn't had a decent run, and he's one of the few people we can rely on to bat fearlessly. Chamu showed proof of the gulf that exists between Matsi and the other options that we can get from our domestic structures. Maruma, Mutumbami, Kasuza, Chamu, Chatara, etc, will make excellent options to develop in our A teams. Domestic rankings don't say everything. Mike Hussey is struggling, while Ponting is thriving. ;)

We've got a good Domestic cricket structure, but we've seen how the likes of Mutizwa & Waller were shown up. Half century or not, Mark Vermeulen & Matsi would have done justice to that easy period Malcolm had, and it was painful to watch that.

I don't fancy Taylor as a keeper, but it's pointless to go with someone else like Regis/Coventry, and sacrifice a Williams/Matsi/Mawoyo for Chakabva!

You all know Craig & Cremer remain players I value as far as ZIm's future is concerned. Cremer can have a good run. He hasn't built on the foundation he had, like all our players, but now we know all hope is not lost going forward, because Mushangwe has been tried and for the second time now and shown good promise for the future.

Craig has potential, he has delivered on it before, and remains capable of doing so in future. However, he's not a top order bat, doesn't have the allround qualities of Elton, and in no way is he in the same class as Williams. Reserve is where he belongs, but good enough for the LOI squad.

I don't care what anybody says, Elton is only 27 soon - 28avg batsman, and 35 avg bowler. He's a must in every format(test included), and should be the first name on the sheet. How a why you fail to see that is beyond me! :?

The only way Zim will ever do well is if it selects it's best batsmen. Those 6, plus Vermeulen are the best we have at performing their roles.

The situation might have been very different if Vusi had appealed. Hami & Taylor would probably have had a better platform from which to launch. We need to adjust the personnel and strategy a little bit.
1Mawoyo 2Vusi 3Hami 4Taylor(c) 5Craig 6Matsi 7Taibu(wk) 8Elton 9Cremer 10Rainsford 11Mpofu 12Jarvis

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Their body launguage does not show any courage ,let alone threaten the opposition, it's like they are there for the beating,someone needs to instill some courage and confidence may be possibly they should be shown footage of their own batting ,fielding , and how they are carrying themselves in the field they look rather not interested.
During his run-up, Mpofu just looks defeated. I've been watching the highlights and noticed that even when M'shangwe conceded three boundaries in a row, he still managed to maintain his confidence and positive body language.

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Zim making 128 of 25 overs is better than 180 of 50 because it shows that the team is willing to win :D utseya 18 off 6 7balls this isnt a test match we need more aggression

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hhm I see it was painful for you to watch Waller make 51 off 75 balls and you would have preferred to watch Matsi make his normal 7 or 8 off about 18 balls. Well as a true Zim supporter it was great to see Waller make his fifty as it added a tiny bit more creditabilty to our end poor total

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hhm wrote:accept that we only have a handful of guys with the same ability to dominate occasionally, and he's one of them!
He'd better start proving it then! Over 10 years, he's done nothing! An out of form Malcolm Waller can still churn out a 50, to which you have given no credit for, when all his senior players were falling around him to poor shot selections

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Dont knw why we r persisting with mpofu
wat has he done all these years????about 70-80%ofhis wickets have come towards the end of the innings wen batsmen have no choice but to hit out :!:
he has hardly taken any wickets with the new ball in hand

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Kudos to Waller for toughening it out and getting his 50 but he scored the majority of his runs when the pressure was effectively off and the Windies were starting to go through the motions. I sincerly hope he finds some form, he was starting to find the middle of the bat towards the end of his innings, but while he batted with Ervine only one of them looked anything remotely like an international batsman. As for Waller the bowler and fielder, the less said the better ...

Utseya always looks like he has the weight of the world on his shoulders. Why play a sport if you don't enjoy it!

And coming back to my earlier question as to Regis's role in the side: Maybe bayhaus has a theory about that, but no international side plays a diminuitive keeper-batsman who does not bowl at 7 and give the gloves to an inferior part-time keeper. That's just a waste of a place in the side. At 7 we need someone who can bowl, preferably Chigs who of course is not on tour.

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Re: [Match Thread] West Indies vs Zimbabwe - 1st ODI

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With such a performance how much can be attributed to the captain.

Highlights West Indies Innings
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_2gkrvyq9I
Look at what Jarvis is saying at 07:10 and who is he saying that to?
I am a fan of Darren Bravo and I had bad feeling a knock like that was goin to come against Zim.

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Re: [Match Thread] West Indies vs Zimbabwe - 1st ODI

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bayhaus wrote: Look at what Jarvis is saying at 07:10 and who is he saying that to?
He said "what the fu(k is he doing". Referring to Waller's flap at the ball at deep midwicket.

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I noticed that too. He felt let down (rightfully so!) by the poor fielding which IMO seemed to be deliberate!

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