2023 ODI World Cup Discussion

[Googly]

Zim have lost a lot if ground not being at this WC. Some of these guys are taking cricket to the next level.

[Googly]

Anyone watch Fakhar's innings? Just wow.

[Crastle_cog]

Yeah, the conditions for women in certain ways have worsened undoubtedly but there is now more peace in Afghanistan than it has been in the last twenty years. If you go outside the cities of kabul, herat, kandahar, etc the people in the rural communities by and large welcome the taliban.

‘By and large’ isn’t appropriate here when you are talking about only the male population.

Or do the women not count in your view?

No, what I'm trying to say is that the women in most rural afghan locations don't even recognize the international standard women rights as something which is in the realms of moral greatness. I've some afghan friends and from what I know when you leave the 'bigger' cities , the women themselves frown upon any form of liberalism outside the boundaries of sharia.

[Googly]

Well they have to say that so you'll never know what they really think. If you're exposed to a good education and travel you may revert to your roots, but not until you're older.
90% of rural Afghansitan have no idea what's out there.
There aren't many British and American refugees flooding into Kabul though

It's not one culture's job to tell another's that theirs is wrong.
That's America's big problem and its biting them nicely. Sadly Trump might save them

[Crastle_cog]

Yeah I agree with you there. The topography of afghanistan is such that you almost have a mountain between any settlement, be it rural or urban. It's very hard to achieve uniformity so your best shot at survival is continue with the traditions you've. Even under the rule of Daoud Khan, the founder of the republic and the last king Zahir Shah, who were mostly liberal at least for islamic nation standards, every region was diverse in their way of life and that actually cultivated in the rise of the taliban. The taliban are mainly pashtuns and they make up 42 percent of the country's population. They've always been tribal in their lifestyle mostly so it is just being reflected when they're in power currently.

[Pat_Bee]

Hijabis give it large in public policing other hijabis and looking down on liberal behaviour. In private is a whole other story though hey. Modest my ass. Suppose that’s the story of women world over though.

[Googly]

Yeah I agree with you there. The topography of afghanistan is such that you almost have a mountain between any settlement, be it rural or urban. It's very hard to achieve uniformity so your best shot at survival is continue with the traditions you've. Even under the rule of Daoud Khan, the founder of the republic and the last king Zahir Shah, who were mostly liberal at least for islamic nation standards, every region was diverse in their way of life and that actually cultivated in the rise of the taliban. The taliban are mainly pashtuns and they make up 42 percent of the country's population. They've always been tribal in their lifestyle mostly so it is just being reflected when they're in power currently.

This was an interesting read

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Taliban

[Googly]

Not that a British version of the Taliban is necessarily true.
I've spent a lot of time over the last few years reading different versions of history. We've been bullshitted for so long, makes me sick.

[sam_ahm]

What an amazing tournament Afghanistan are having. We can forget about them playing Zimbabwe anytime soon, they will now behave as if they are even bigger super stars.

But credit where it's due. Unbelievably good tournament for the Afghans, who are still in the race for Semi Finals. Something for Zimbabwe and Ireland to learn from, these guys have come through against the odds with relatively less fixtures, not so much money, war torn nation, Taliban taking over... I don't think Zim or Ire can have any excuses.

They get full member funding despite not meeting the criteria to be full members. It’s not against the odds at all. Approximately 15x larger annual funding grant than the Netherlands. And I wouldn’t say they are 15x better than the Dutch.

And they don’t have to spend a large % of their income on women’s and girls cricket like Zim and Ire are forced to.

Pretty sure the majority of their team or certainly the higher profile stars haven’t set foot in the country since the Taliban takeover either. So not sure that’s as much of a hardship for them as you think.

I understand and agree SZ, Zim have a richer cricketing history, produced world class cricketers, we can't be in a situation where Zim are losing to Namibia and Afghans are pushing for WC SF spots.... The gap cannot huge and I'm only talking about the current date scenario.

Zimbabwe, Ireland got to push for better results, that is what that matters.

[sam_ahm]

Anyone watch Fakhar's innings? Just wow.

Yeah, I did. Insane hitting.

Pakistan somehow, are still in SF race! I can't believe it!