[Match Thread] Afghanistan v Zimbabwe: 2nd ODI

[foreignfield]

I agree with Crimson's summary, but there is another point which comes into the equation as far as our reactions to Whatmore/Mangongo are concerned: With Mangongo the feeling was he got the team he wanted because he was supposed to be thick with ZC. In Whatmore's case you are looking at some selections and think "Either he's lost his wits, or there must be some politics involved beyond his power" -- knowing ZC's history it is easy to give Dav the benefit of the doubt, maybe undeservedly so ... but what do we know?

At the end of the day you can only look at the results, and they haven't been pretty. Whatever is going on he's got to take some blame.

[jimmylesaint]

Mmmmm remember Dav is not in charge of his selections. Well not all of them. Also he was paid one year in advance and i bet he will not last unless we do exceptionally well at WC.
He has past evidence that he can produce the goods. Mangongo had nothing but crazy eyes and no idea how to manage adults-much like Hondo in his dreadlocked haze.
Lets give him until the WC to see. Bayhaus nails the other problem the players are lazy selfish can't give a shit attitude. They have lost their respect for their seniors/Admin because of the moneys the desk jockey jobs worths are earning.
Half the team want to win the other half don't give a shit which makes the good half not care if they get a golden duck- after all they'll get paid anyway. The Afghans have picked up on this negative attitude and milked it- dominating Zim and will likely be a white wash now.
Then of course #sackeltonchigumbura our dour unresponsive unenthusiastic captain cannot motivate himself let alone anyone else. Plus he spends too much time plotting and conniving.
Keep Dav and put Raza as Captain then see the difference.

[afghankhan]

Why was Hamilton Mazakadza out of the team for such long time? If they have him with full confidence he can be very dangerous expecially against lesser teams like Afghanistan.

Why is Reza not opening or playing at the top order. He is the best player of spin, so he should bat higher up and face more balls.

I still think Zim is a better batting side then Afghanistan, but your bowling is pretty meh, not very good.

[zimbofan88]

Our batting looks more stable with the return of Hami and other guys PJ, Ervine are playing good. We should bring back all our bolwers for rest of the matches. Jongwe and Taurai aren't going to give any problems to the Afghans batting. It's clear to everyone Waller isn't going to add more than 10-15 runs coming up at 7. Jongwe, Neville, Chisoro etc can bat OK, so we should go with this lineup:
PJ
Chibabha
Hami
Ervine
Raza
Chigs
Jongwe
Neville
Cremer
Chisoro
Panny

[Kriterion_BD]

Bayhaus nails the other problem the players are lazy selfish can't give a shit attitude. They have lost their respect for their seniors/Admin because of the moneys the desk jockey jobs worths are earning.
Half the team want to win the other half don't give a shit which makes the good half not care if they get a golden duck- after all they'll get paid anyway.

So are the players getting paid their dues on time now? Sounds plausible if Whatmore got his salary a year in advance - which any idiot would do after being wisened to human corruption with 4 years in Bangladesh. The ZC central contracts - at face value - pay more than BCB. 50k per annum vs 30k for top brackets in BD (Shakib, Mushfiq, Tamim). Of course adjusted for PPP its almost equal, maybe even BD players earning slightly "more". But thats assuming ZC actually pays what they say in the contracts they write up.

[eugene]

The thing is most of our players only know losing. It is an ingrained mentality with the players. Most of them probably remember every single victory they have ever played in, yet the losses just mould together into one big lump of negativity.

[jimbo]

Zimbabwe missed a trick not selecting a genuine fast bowler for this trip,you reap what you sow!!

The Zimbabwe bowlers of 2005 fresh from second player crisis such as Blessing mahwire and Ed rainsford could bowl faster than these trundlers. How we need chatara back along with another groomed fast bowler- lets invest for the future while we still have one.

[zimbofan88]

I agree. Someone like Chatara, Chinyou or Tiripano could have scared the crap out of Afghanis with swings, variations and bouncers. They also have good bowlers who their batsmen practice in the nets, so how on earth could be expect Taurai and Jongwe to scare them? The last option we have now is to play all Chisoro, Panny and Neville in rest of the matches. We did another blunder by not picking up an extra batsman in the squad to replace Williams. Chibaha, waller and Mutumbami are really struggling. Why didn't we take Burl?Things would have been in our favor if we had few genuine strike bowlers and Williams with us.

[eugene]

To be honest, as a full member we should be beating Afghanistan regardless of our selections. NZ could probably pick a random assortment of domestic players and still thump Afghanistan.

[Kriterion_BD]

To be honest, as a full member we should be beating Afghanistan regardless of our selections. NZ could probably pick a random assortment of domestic players and still thump Afghanistan.

Afghanistan aren't your run of the mill Associates (neither are Ireland). They are at least as good as the Kenya side that made the world cup semis. OK maybe only Ireland are that good. But the Afghans have a large player pool and a lot of still latent talent. In 5 years they could conceivably be as good as the Windies.