[Logan Cup 2017 Round 1] Rhinos v Rising Stars

[jaybro]

We all know Tary & Burl are good batters but if by the end of the season young Tinashe & Taffy have scored some runs then we achieved something.

Will they automatically replace Malcolm and Sean just like Mumba and Ngarava have done to senior accomplished bowlers?

Yes if they score enough runs

Zimbabwe don't have any accomplished seamers in ODI cricket so I have no idea what you're talking about.

[jaybro]

Cremer with a woeful bowling test avg, but more promising batting, is happy to bat below Chapungu

Cremer is a bowler who is a handy batsman whilst Chapungu is 'suppose' to be an opening batsman whilst Hhm wants Cremer to bat ahead of him??

Another clear sign this goose has zero idea about cricket

[pariah]

Mayavo is regarded by most, if not all as the best gloveman in the country. I think a lot of development will be put into him this season.

I also had him in my XI for Rhinos. Moor is probably a poorer keeper than Kasuza. He shouldn't be in keeper discussions at all really. Desperation gives rise to his relevance, but like the non-spinners ZImbabwe employ, it's more beneficial to just use a specialist. In the end what hey leak is way more than the runs they score.

I still think 25 is still very young for a keeper if they haven't been in the setup constantly. Solid work needs to be put into his batting and then his leadership behind the stumps. The most successful keepers are those that lead from behind the stumps. Change the field, make sure players have their angles right etc. You want to make sure that that person, has the confidence to step into the role. In my opinion get him in the A squad that is playing against the west indies and have him in the extended squad in Bulawayo for the tests.

Mayavo's batting is welll behind a number of players. Him, Handirisi, Sauramba and Gumbie are in the same boat in that regard. Mutizwa should get picked now if keeper-batsman is really an issue.

The only problem I have is this inclination that certain positions are already reserved for certain players, and if they are not ready now, then they WILL be ready later. ZC just has to devote resources towards achieving that.

I've been a strong advocate for Moor, Nathan, and actually Malcolm. The fact is Moor should give up keeping and earn a spot in the top order. Nathan should focus more on his batting and less on his bowling so he can be a middle order option. While Malcolm should simply be a specialist batsman. Malcolm got picked late to play internationals for ZIM and too much time has been devoted to giving the impression that he's an allrounder when he's not. He's amounted to nothing in the end. Moor is 27 in a few weeks, and Nathan 26 in a few days. In contrast, England are already discussing what 19 year old Sam Curran must focus on. It's too late for these guys. It's extremely hard to be a specialist and I think people tend to belittle that point and relax it in discussing certain players.

Kasuza is just like them, and he shoul dfocus on his batting because his keeping will never be Test standard, and I think he's earned consideration as a batsman.

Mutumbami and Forster Mutiwza are ready today to deputise Regis, and after a few games match fitness, Jongwe is ready to be the allrounder if the Test team needs one (not, Mire etc), same with Mashinge after a season or two.

[sloandog]

Nathan should focus more on his batting and less on his bowling so he can be a middle order option.

He averages 23 in FC Cricket, 21 in List A Cricket and 26 in T20 Cricket? At a time when dependable limited overs fast bowlers a few and far between for us, why the hell should Waller stop bowling? I agree he needs to work on being a more consistent batter, as those hard hitting 60's every 7 knocks is far from good enough. However, at least we know he has it in him. He nailed an unbeaten 148 against a county 2nd XI if I remember correctly.

I also agree that Jongwe should be considered. Obvious talent, a handy seamer who can hit the early 80's Mph and a solid batter. Just needs some guidance and reckon Streak could work some magic.

[pariah]

Nathan should focus more on his batting and less on his bowling so he can be a middle order option.

He averages 23 in FC Cricket, 21 in List A Cricket and 26 in T20 Cricket? At a time when dependable limited overs fast bowlers a few and far between for us, why the hell should Waller stop bowling? I agree he needs to work on being a more consistent batter, as those hard hitting 60's every 7 knocks is far from good enough.

I'll yield to your point because stats don't lie. He's shown that he has something to work with from a bowling perspective.

Generally, Strike Rate tends to normalise stats though. At this point, if Nathan puts in 24 overs in a FC innings, on average he'll have 3-70. If he bowls his full quota in List A, he'll be 2-43. But that's when he's at his very best. That can only get worse in internationals. I'm agreeing with you, but as always I'm a bit concerned that when we suggest players for international level, are we considering how humbling it can be?

Nathan can be the bowler who gives you 10-15 overs, and hopefully pick up one or two wickets, but he must average more with the bat to get picked. In ZIM it appears the coaches are happy to have a top order that averages in the 20s, but the middle order mut bowl(or keep) and they must average in the 30s. Prince Masvaure had to do that for ZIM A before he could make it, maybe Nathan can have a similar run in one A/XI Series and also get picked. Who knows. Prince focused on his batting in domestic in order to get there, and batted higher.

If I was advising Nathan I'd tell him to demand to bat in the top 5 in domestic cricket across formats and ignore his bowling for a season or two. I argue that Cremer shouldn't necessarily work on his batting because his bowling is the one that still needs plenty work, but just by batting much higher he will be tested. Right now his bowling, as flawed as it is, will be too good for domestic and he'll basically be on holiday getting more after rolling his arm for just a few overs(just like Liam Dawson was down in ZIM).

[pariah]

First-class debut:
BM James
AG JhaM
Faraz Akram
B Muzarabani
R Ngarava
HK Ziwira

Player 1: I got a FC fifer in this match
Player 2: I got a FC ton in this match
Selectors: Here's your A team jersey
Fans:

[jaybro]

Nice to see Mavuta got Cremer out, the young pup out doing the old dog

[brmtaylor.com admin]

I agree with hhm, Cremer is a superb allrounder who is capable of batting higher up the order.

[Clone]

Taylor making it a habit of scoring 100s. Scored a 100 on his last Zim appearance. Lets hope the same form continues into the windies Test perhaps get a double 100.

[Mr Twig]

Taylor putting his hand up for Zim selection with a timely 100.