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zimbos_05 wrote:
Thu Nov 04, 2021 11:30 pm
ZIMDOGGY wrote:
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It’s funny because in Australia none of which are a slur.
Most headlines in cricket when Pakistan are here say ‘aussies bowl out the Pakis for 202 etc’
Just because it's been published before, does not make it racist. Australia is known to have quite a racist culture that often gets passed off as banter or mateship. Taking the mick out of each other. Doesn't make it right.

There are some terminologies which carry clear racists connotations. So for him to be called a 'Pakistani' comes from a racist context. To be called a zimbo, does not.

Ballance is in the wrong. It's quite clear, and he won't be the last. It's quite clear that people will keep making mistakes. What is astonishing is that we still have boards and leaders who think they can get away with things by just brushing them under the rug and hoping it will just be forgotten. The Yorkshire board has found itself in some serious issues. Racism now more than ever is on the forefront of all sports organisations and so they need to be seen to be doing something. YCB needs a clean out and they need it quick.

As for Ballance coming back to Zim. He obviously won't have a county career after this. I don't see how he could really. He could come back to the Zim lifestyle, but the chances of ZC wanting anything to do with a white man who has been found guilty of racism are little to none.
These articles werent casual racism, they were referring to a shortened version of Pakistani.
its probably changing with globalism and wokeness but uo until 5 years ago at lreast Pakistani had no cultural racial relevance in oz. Was a british thing it seems.
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secretzimbo wrote:
Fri Nov 05, 2021 8:00 am
zimbos_05 wrote:
Thu Nov 04, 2021 11:30 pm

As for Ballance coming back to Zim. He obviously won't have a county career after this. I don't see how he could really. He could come back to the Zim lifestyle, but the chances of ZC wanting anything to do with a white man who has been found guilty of racism are little to none.
He probably doesn't need to. He's already probably the highest earner at Yorkshire. If they buy him out of a 3-year contract he'll be rolling in it, and I'm sure he's got some stories to sell to the papers as well.....

Almost his entire family still lives in Zim and he spends time here every year in the off season. He can probably afford to retire and live a comfortable life here if he wants.
I doubt they would buy him out, they will do something like offer him 6 months pay to go quietly.
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Also I reckon for sure Ballance plays for zim if his county career ends.

1. He has stated he wants to go back to Zim after retirement
2. Uncle Houghton in the setup
3. World cup soon
4. ZC gifted a golden opportunity to save face and have an Ashes level top order batsmen in their order.
5. Vermeulen proved they really can turn a blind eye to racism from a white.

They will nut out a deal that makes it worth it for Garry. A small PR campaign and this is forgotten.
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ZIMDOGGY wrote:
Fri Nov 05, 2021 9:25 am
Also I reckon for sure Ballance plays for zim if his county career ends.

1. He has stated he wants to go back to Zim after retirement
2. Uncle Houghton in the setup
3. World cup soon
4. ZC gifted a golden opportunity to save face and have an Ashes level top order batsmen in their order.
5. Vermeulen proved they really can turn a blind eye to racism from a white.

They will nut out a deal that makes it worth it for Garry. A small PR campaign and this is forgotten.
I think you are being wildly optimistic, I can't see it happening at all but I really really hope you are right. With Taylor retired, Myers away and Williams quite possibly retired, then we might be desperate enough to recruit a known racist.

Does anyone know if Ballance is actually in Zim right now? He's often around at this time of year. Rhinos could do with a top order batsman for the Pro50..... :lol:

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All hell has broken loose. Yorkshire are in deep shit and yeah i can't see Ballance getting selected again even for Yorks.

I'm not sure if Ballance will be entertained by ZC even if he wishes to come back.

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ZIMDOGGY wrote:
Fri Nov 05, 2021 9:16 am


These articles werent casual racism, they were referring to a shortened version of Pakistani.
its probably changing with globalism and wokeness but uo until 5 years ago at lreast Pakistani had no cultural racial relevance in oz. Was a british thing it seems.
I mistyped. I meant, just because it was printed, does not mean it is ok. They were racist when printed then, and racist now.
You're forgetting that Aus is a british colony. The connotations came across to Aus too and were used in the same context.

Also you mentioned Sunday Telegraph and Herald Sun. Those are Murdoch papers, if they're not racist then they're not doing Uncle Murdochs bidding.

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zimbos_05 wrote:
Fri Nov 05, 2021 10:53 am
ZIMDOGGY wrote:
Fri Nov 05, 2021 9:16 am


These articles werent casual racism, they were referring to a shortened version of Pakistani.
its probably changing with globalism and wokeness but uo until 5 years ago at lreast Pakistani had no cultural racial relevance in oz. Was a british thing it seems.
I mistyped. I meant, just because it was printed, does not mean it is ok. They were racist when printed then, and racist now.
You're forgetting that Aus is a british colony. The connotations came across to Aus too and were used in the same context.

Also you mentioned Sunday Telegraph and Herald Sun. Those are Murdoch papers, if they're not racist then they're not doing Uncle Murdochs bidding.
Australia ceased being a British colony well before the term we're debating was used disparagingly against Pakistani people, so it certainly was not used in the same context.

I grew up in Aus, that word was no more offensive than Aussie or Kiwi or Zimbo were/are. Now that Aus is aware the Brits use it in racist fashion, the term doesn't get used there any more, but there's nothing inherently racist about it, and it wasn't meant in a racist way when the Tele and Herald had it splashed across the front pages.

Murdoch's still an absolute fucking cunt though.

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sam_ahm wrote:
Fri Nov 05, 2021 10:39 am
All hell has broken loose. Yorkshire are in deep shit and yeah i can't see Ballance getting selected again even for Yorks.

I'm not sure if Ballance will be entertained by ZC even if he wishes to come back.
I just see it so differently.
ZC capitalises on a perfect storm to paper over their own cracks.
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I haven't gone through the whole saga, but I feel that it is entirely possible for a non-UK person to assume that the word paki is just a shorthand reference to a "Pakistani" national. I may be wrong, but I feel it has no such racial meaning or anything on those lines here in the subcontinent at least. It is quite likely a case of someone in the UK using it in derogatory sense at some point and then it becoming a taboo to use that word. Indeed, in the UK, it might have developed racial connotations over the years, but to expect everyone around the world to be aware of it and react accordingly would be foolish. I'm not saying Ballance or anyone else said this without enough knowledge, but it is quite possible for an Indian or a Sri Lankan to refer to a Pakistani friend in this manner without even realizing that it could have these kind of ramifications.

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