T20I WC what would you have changed (given the available resources)

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BugsBunny
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Re: T20I WC what would you have changed (given the available resources)

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I would start with the best batsman in form opening, which is Raza currently as he needs to face maximum overs for a T20.
Raza will make the best use of the opening powerplay.
I would also not leave out Brad Evans from the team as the win against Pakistan was also based on his efforts. 19 runs with the bat, removing Babar Azam early and a good last over. His fielding especially catching needs to be improved.

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secretzimbo wrote:
Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:53 pm
sam_ahm wrote:
Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:10 pm
Agree with Crimson on most points.

1) Apart from Marumani, I'd have picked Kaia in my team as well and opened with Marumani and Kaia with Jongwe, depending on the situation, coming in at 3 or at times at 8. This actually means there was no place for Ervine in my T20 team unless Jongwe fails miserably and I replace him with Ervine.
Really?! Ervine has been poor, but really?!?! Kaia is a slower scorer than Ervine and an inferior player with less experience.
I wouldn't have Ervine in my T20 side going forward but Kaia offers absolutely nothing different/better than Craig in this format.
4) Change the approach, not everyone looks to smack every ball... Play the situation. I know Dave has been hugely successful with his attacking approach but I think we over did it in this competition.
It's the right approach, but the wrong players.
Square pegs, round holes.
Hate to say this but Ervine has been well below par SZ, given his experience I expected a lot more and his captaincy has been very poor to say the least. You can look at it in a different way, Marumani in for Ervine and Kaia for Shumba, that's what meant, Marumani attacking and Kaia holding an end.

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sam_ahm wrote:
Fri Nov 04, 2022 6:27 am
Hate to say this but Ervine has been well below par SZ, given his experience I expected a lot more and his captaincy has been very poor to say the least. You can look at it in a different way, Marumani in for Ervine and Kaia for Shumba, that's what meant, Marumani attacking and Kaia holding an end.
Ervine has been rubbish, but it's not exactly his fault. This is by far his least comfortable format anyway, plus couple that with Houghton's stated ultra-aggressive approach. It's like asking a badminton player to play tennis.

Ervine & Chakabva would be capable of getting us to 30-0 off the powerplay 90% of the time with ease. They are amongst the finest players in the country. But Houghton (and T20 generally) is asking them to go and get 50+ off those 6 overs. As a result they struggle massively. They are forcing it, it's not their natural game. Same for Shumba.

Kaia and Kaitano offer nothing different. Kaia has a career T20 SR of 106. Both of these guys are good players too, but they aren't suited to this format or this style of play we are trying to do.

We've been lucky with the conditions in Australia providing low-scoring games, but in the future most T20's we need a team that cans core 180 consistently.

We need to pick the right type of players for the right format. None of the above will help us build the team that Houghton wants in T20's.

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I agree, one good though is that after this WC, at least for the next 1 year the focus of all the teams will be on ODIs considering next year's World Cup.

Zimbabwe definitely have a better ODI team, the way they play, it is far more suited for the ODI format, Ervine, Williams, Burl, Shumba, Kaia, all get into the mix and it is exciting that the senior players are likely to be around for the next 1 year. I think Evans is also a better longer format bowler... He struggles a bit in T20s like Jarvis.

It is a huge shame that we have a 10 team WC, ICC sucks, but anyways, The recent results have given me hope that Zimbabwe can push for a qualification, at least it is not as bad as we were thinking 6 months ago. Home advantage will also be a factor.

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I am not sure why everyone seems so confident that we are good at ODI's.
There is now a lot of crossover between T20's and 50 over cricket. The fast start pinch hitting in the first powerplay championed by Jayasuriya has now been superceded by the new method of trying to go at a run a ball up until about the 38-40th over and if only 3/4 down then going hard like a T20.
We neither have guys that can get a consistently fast start nor a middle order that can go at 8-10 an over at the back end.
We're realistically still a 250-270 team and then hope we get some early wickets.

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Odi's still provide room for class and cricketing skill unlike t20's. Believe it or not we still have more class than some other teams. I think we can be competitive against most teams...

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We have the same problems in this format-
Inability to rotate strike putting Raza under pressure when he comes in or forcing a big shot.
Poor shot selection.

We're in with a shot for automatic qualification for the next T20 WC.
I'll miss those qualifiers, they were intense and matched us up against similar teams, let's not kid ourselves where we are at. Lest we forget Raza saved the day each time, we've got plenty of work to do and we lack the batters, that wouldn't change the next time around.

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Re: T20I WC what would you have changed (given the available resources)

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The WCQ is going to be very exciting and extremely competitive. There's a very good chance South Africa will be in it, and guaranteed to be at least 2 of WI, SL, Afghanistan.

There will be a lot pace at the WCQ if you consider that the following bowlers who can all bowl north of 140 clicks might feature:

Ramadan, Ngidi, Nortje, Joseph, Searles, Chameera, Kumara, van Meekeren, Little, and Farooqi. In addition to Blessing and Chivanga.

That's a lot of pace for a qualifier tourney.
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Kriterion_BD wrote:
Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:44 pm
The WCQ is going to be very exciting and extremely competitive. There's a very good chance South Africa will be in it, and guaranteed to be at least 2 of WI, SL, Afghanistan.

There will be a lot pace at the WCQ if you consider that the following bowlers who can all bowl north of 140 clicks might feature:

Ramadan, Ngidi, Nortje, Joseph, Searles, Chameera, Kumara, van Meekeren, Little, and Farooqi. In addition to Blessing and Chivanga.

That's a lot of pace for a qualifier tourney.
There will be only 2 of RSA, WI, SL, AFG mate.

I can't see Afghanistan being there, they are already assured of a place above WI who have finished all their games and all they need is one more win from remaining 12 games to ensure they don't fall behind South Africa (Assuming RSA forfeit those 3 games against the Aussies)

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Re: T20I WC what would you have changed (given the available resources)

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Kriterion_BD wrote:
Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:44 pm
The WCQ is going to be very exciting and extremely competitive. There's a very good chance South Africa will be in it, and guaranteed to be at least 2 of WI, SL, Afghanistan.

There will be a lot pace at the WCQ if you consider that the following bowlers who can all bowl north of 140 clicks might feature:

Ramadan, Ngidi, Nortje, Joseph, Searles, Chameera, Kumara, van Meekeren, Little, and Farooqi. In addition to Blessing and Chivanga.

That's a lot of pace for a qualifier tourney.
Afghanistan is through . Westindies will most certainly play qualifiers . It has to be westindies and one team between southafrica/srilanka

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