[Match Thread] Zimbabwe v Pakistan (3rd ODI)

[jimbo]

I would concur with that Zimdog

Im not sure that Chibhaba is a team player, maybe more of a lone ranger. Against the spinners he was facing two dot balls and then getting a single with the third ball of the over which puts pressure on Vusi then. His Rotation was awfull.

[FlowerPower]

Here we go again! A disclaimer before I start. I am not a Chamu Chibaba fan. I dont think he is the right man at the top. Now to the defence of the poor guy. Chamu did not lose us any match, most certainly yesterday's match. Chamu does not pick himself.

however the reality was he lost us the game by never attempting to accelerate the run rate, putting pressure on the other guys. perhaps its the result of having a few lead in low scores he just wanted the tallyu next to his name.

Yesterday,the culprit was Chamu Chibhabha and i don't know why the selectors are going with the same tested and failed material. He's never won a match for us,he can neither rotate the strike
nor take on the boundaries with ease. And he was the one responsible for Vusi's wicket. He was neither getting a move on nor running well. What's his role? He's not clean enough attacker

You say he put pressure on everyone else, are you for real? take a look at http://www.espncricinfo.com/zimbabwe-v- ... artnership now Chamu was in 3 of these, the most substantial being with Vusi which was fairly evenly shared, 76 balls apiece, vusi outscoring Chamu by 11 (59 and 48 respectively) hardly a case of one putting pressure on the other, and how does Chamu get the blame for Vusi's self distruct button (aka Pullshot)? The other 2 partnerships he outscored the guys, at a very good rate, at a SR of 80 (4 from 5 balls) to Taylor's 43 (6 from 14)...now if anything is to be extrapolated, Taylor hogged the strike and made less runs, but I wont go that route, I will just say, Taylor didnt stay long enough to read any pressure at all....As for Hami, Chamu was at a SR of 143 (10 off 7) to Hami's 75 3 off 4, again too insignificant to read anything, except I fail to see how you put pressure on anyone by going at 143!! It would be laughable if your intentions were not detrimental to a player's character... And even a lazy glance at the scorecard will show he had a strike rate of 70 comparable to Hami’s 80 for his 21 runs, Vusi (77) for 59 runs and infinitely better than Brendan’s 6 runs at a SR of 42…and he STALLED everything and should be burned for it….come on!

"Reality was he lost us the game"

... really? What was he supposed to do? Blast an unbeaten 150 at a strike rate of 123?? Come on! Lets be fair, the man did his fair share (a bit more if you ask me), the others around him didnt contribute, lets be fair, our Captain failed, Hami failed, Taibu tried but also failed, Chigs failed, Waller failed, but 68...come on get real....Indeed history will see him as making a good knock of 68 (highest I may add) at a healthy rate, because that is A TRUE STATEMENT OF FACT no amount of distortion can change that. We need to a REALITY check here.

Same old Zimbabwe,same old story. I don't know what the selectors think they're doing. And i put this series loss down to the batsmen. The bowlers have played well - fast bowling could have been better but they're inexperienced so no complains.

These would be the same bowlers who amongst themselves had a GRAND TOTAL of 11 wickets (just enough to bowl out Pakistan once in a 3 match series), and oh yes the same GOOD bowling attack that failed to get a single wicket at HSC…oh ofcourse it all Chamu's doing ….

Same thing with Masakadza,he cannot play with soft hands,can he? The best option is to send him to open the innings. That's when he can get boundaries and do well. To be frank,if it had not been for
his 178* against Kenya,his average would have been lying somewhere in early twenties just like Chamu. And,i haven't seen any improvement in his game. I look at Vusi and there you have a wonderful batsman.

My friend your grasp of mathematics (actually simple arithmetic) is frightening, one score does not make an average, especially for one with over 100 innings to their name…where do I begin “sigh”….google “how a cricket average is computed”…

Isn't the same thing when i look at hamilton. The team is demanding too much of Elton,Brendan and Tatenda. They are the consistent ones and its nice to see elton bowl well.

Are we talking about the same Vusi “pull shot” Sibanda, who has been out 5 times this season already from the same shot, even when this Chamu guy was away, boy Chamu must be super powerful (a la remote control style!). As for Elton, please, please surely you are not insinuating that Chamu is not responsible for his 18 month drought? or are you simply refusing to acknowledge this slump?, and lets see Brendan has failed a couple of times this season, and the only time he has been partnered with Chamu was going at over 100, now hardly pressure to force him to go out for less than 10…And Tatenda is Tatenda doubt anything affects him least of which a 68 at 70% from Chamu in a stand of (second highest partnership of the series with Sibanda) of 110…why am doing this??? How does a stand of 110 at a SR of 72 put pressure on anyone???

There's no left hander and C.ervine has already shown what class he is. So,i say,he should be allowed to bat up the order. You can't expect a classy batsman to run riot and hit big when there's only 7-8 overs to play. Ervine deserves a chance up the order.

Hilarious, the poor man may bat at 6, but has had chances when there is more than 15 overs to go and failed, nothing against the man, but he has hit a poor form patch, he is class and will be back, but as of now he cant buy a 20! On a serious note... your theory is….regardless of form, every team needs a left hander? You may be onto something, hey!

to be an aggressive player nor has the temperament to play long innings. In short,he's pretty much useless.

Look I don’t think the guy is our answer to our problems at number 2. But to put all our problems at his door step is lack of brain application, uncreative, plain lazy and disrespectful to a fellow human being. Why cant you acknowledge that despite his limitations he was the best out of a poor attempt?
The rest of poor Waller and Chamu playing for himself I will not dignify with a response....

Opposite of waller whos copping the raw end of the stick and having a dig, often on the back of a sluggish top order

I think what annoyed you more is that he didn't fail (boy you must have fumed when he went past 50 and not another sub 10 score), which is sad for a supporter of the team.

Zimbabwe has to look back at the Ind-sl tri series and learn from it. During that time,zim got to good starts and they built slowly but solidly in the middle over and then accelerated again. Due to the fast start,they could afford to slow down in the middle.

So,few things for zim cricket :

1. Rotation of strike
2. A decent opener
3. Positioning of the players
4. Bringing the left hander in - Craig Ervine

Agree with 1, 2…not sure where 3 is going, and my views on 4 above…this is more rational, and had you stated just those facts, and even stated Chamu, is not good enough opening, I may have not wasted half an hour defending the poor guy, it was not necessary to build a false case against him…

[Conant]

Well, zimfanatic, thanks for the optimism. At this rate we'll have three players in the team

[zimfanatic]

Listen dude,if you're going to draw everything i said and put in on Chamu,i don't have anything to say at all. I never said Vusi got out on the pull due to chamu;Chamu has always been the first one to be dismissed except that last game. I don't like accusing anyone online,but i can't see why you felt the need to quote each and everything i said. All i have to say is,Chamu isn't good enough to play for Zim. I see this selection like going back and bringing Matsikenyeri back. Even Bangladesh has an opener who's given a job. Tamim goes out and scores fast and Imrul stays in. What's chamu's role? Is he classy enough to stay at the wicket for long or is he aggressive enough to take on good bowlers? Don't judge him on the final ODI,judge him for his performance over the last 5 years. How many good performances has he given? Is he good enough? I don't think you'll ever see a team having ten wickets in hand and going at 4 runs an over when chasing such a big total. Enough said...I have watched Zim cricket enough to know chamu isn't the best they have. I would prefer mawoyo over chamu..At least mawoyo has the guts to fight it out and stay there..At least he has the potential to do that..I see nothing in Chamu.

I won't comment on the bowlers. Ray was good and Prosper was okay. Vitori and Jarvis are too inexperienced and they have proven they are good. As for chamu,i assume he has played almost 60 matches,he neither has the average,nor the strike rates.

I won't bother wasting any more time...I see no problem in zim..They got close only to blame their poor scoring at the top and at the middle. At least you got to try to score at the top. You can't always think of losing wickets and consolidating..esp when you chase big totals..

Btw,flower dude,don't bother wasting your time unless you have something good..I know whats the problem and i defend everything i said about chamu..You can't change my mind even if you're grant flower..

[FlowerPower]

Listen dude,if you're going to draw everything i said and put in on Chamu,i don't have anything to say at all. I never said Vusi got out on the pull due to chamu;Chamu has always been the first one to be dismissed except that last game.

But you did say it was about YESTERDAY(the 14th)....

Yesterday,the culprit was Chamu Chibhabha and i don't know why the selectors are going with the same tested and failed material. He's never won a match for us,he can neither rotate the strike
nor take on the boundaries with ease. And he was the one responsible for Vusi's wicket. He was neither getting a move on nor running well. What's his role? He's not clean enough attacker

I don't like accusing anyone online,but i can't see why you felt the need to quote each and everything i said.

But you accused Chamu of 1. Losing the game, 2. Running out Vusi, 3. Putting pressure on everyone. I quoted it so I would not falsely accuse you but argue at what YOU said.

All i have to say is,Chamu isn't good enough to play for Zim. I see this selection like going back and bringing Matsikenyeri back. Even Bangladesh has an opener who's given a job. Tamim goes out and scores fast and Imrul stays in. What's chamu's role? Is he classy enough to stay at the wicket for long or is he aggressive enough to take on good bowlers? Don't judge him on the final ODI,judge him for his performance over the last 5 years. How many good performances has he given? Is he good enough?

Unfortunately it was not ALL you had to say. You said much more including half truths...note I even said this before...

....had you stated just those facts, and even stated Chamu, is not good enough opening, I may have not wasted half an hour defending the poor guy, it was not necessary to build a false case against him…

And for the record I actually agree he may not be our best opener but on Wednesday he was one of our better effort with the bat ...

Look I don’t think the guy is our answer to our problems at number 2. But to put all our problems at his door step is lack of brain application, uncreative, plain lazy and disrespectful to a fellow human being. Why cant you acknowledge that despite his limitations he was the best out of a poor attempt?

I don't think you'll ever see a team having ten wickets in hand and going at 4 runs an over when chasing such a big total. Enough said...

Easy champ! You are at it again, there are many examples of teams going at 4 an over with ten wickets in hand. And no, it wasn't a BIG total at all, look I said it in my first post 3rd ODI was not Chamu's fault if anything he came to the party, set a solid foundation for all to launch from, problem was no one else came with him end of inquest. Does this make him a good player? Don't think so, but it shows he has the ability. Does this mean Number 2 is solved? Hardly, and I said as much in my post.

I have watched Zim cricket enough to know chamu isn't the best they have. I would prefer mawoyo over chamu..At least mawoyo has the guts to fight it out and stay there..At least he has the potential to do that..I see nothing in Chamu.

I probably have watched it longer, but that neither here nor there, I actually agree with you on that note, see my comments on the thread about "du Plessis bats for ODI selection of Mawoyo "...

But I wonder what would be wrong with Mawoyo there? I tend to think we categories players too rigidly as test or ODI (example Alister Cook). He can play the anchor role well, i.e. see out the new ball and form the back bone of an innings, Vusi can then pull with gay abandon at the other end (something he cant do with Hami, who gets bogged down and has an inability to rotate the strike). Also suited to this would be Duffin, steady, if unspectacular. Then everyone can bat around him.

I won't comment on the bowlers. Ray was good and Prosper was okay. Vitori and Jarvis are too inexperienced and they have proven they are good. As for chamu,i assume he has played almost 60 matches,he neither has the average,nor the strike rates.

I won't bother wasting any more time...I see no problem in zim..They got close only to blame their poor scoring at the top and at the middle. At least you got to try to score at the top. You can't always think of losing wickets and consolidating..esp when you chase big totals..

Nice turn around I see pleanty wrong, and agree with 3 of the last points you raised, these can be worked on and I'm sure will be worked on..

Btw,flower dude,don't bother wasting your time unless you have something good..I know whats the problem and i defend everything i said about chamu..You can't change my mind even if you're grant flower..

For the record, I am not Grant (good man he is), and no you did not defend everything you said about Chamu, (see opening comments), you just denied it. But hey I said what I have to and hope you have calmed down enough to understand, 1. I do not disagree with Chamu's lack of progress and the point was never to change your mind about him, it was more about your false accusations of him 2. I totally will defend him (or any Zim player for that matter) against any unfair and false accusations (intentional or erroneous) 3. I will never shout you down, on the contrary I will fight for your voice to be heard, but on the same token will never keep quiet when you distort truth...

Ready to smoke the peace pipe...