2023 World Cup Qualifier discussion

[jaybro]

But here don't forget that Afghanistan last time did exactly that, they carried forward 0 points and then BOY they turned it around like there is no stopping them.

I have to say the Super 6s is the dumbest format I’ve ever seen. The whole thing about only carrying points that you won against other Super 6 sides is ridiculous.

Afghanistan didn’t pay the price for losing to Hong Kong in the group stages last time, they only won one game yet ended up getting through after hitting form in the Super 6s.

Although this format did help Zimbabwe at the 99 WC

[secretzimbo]

The ICC love a bad format.

The actual 2019 world cup itself was dreadful too. Majority of the games were dead rubbers and it went on and on for fucking ages before any matches of consequence happened.

[jaybro]

The ICC love a bad format.

The actual 2019 world cup itself was dreadful too. Majority of the games were dead rubbers and it went on and on for fucking ages before any matches of consequence happened.

But India played 10 matches which is all that counts

[sam_ahm]

But here don't forget that Afghanistan last time did exactly that, they carried forward 0 points and then BOY they turned it around like there is no stopping them.

I have to say the Super 6s is the dumbest format I’ve ever seen. The whole thing about only carrying points that you won against other Super 6 sides is ridiculous.

Afghanistan didn’t pay the price for losing to Hong Kong in the group stages last time, they only won one game yet ended up getting through after hitting form in the Super 6s.

Although this format did help Zimbabwe at the 99 WC

Yeah it's not the best but it's still better than having a Semi Final right after the round robin, which places huge importance on a single game. So I'm still OK with a super six.

[Kriterion_BD]

I have to say the Super 6s is the dumbest format I’ve ever seen. The whole thing about only carrying points that you won against other Super 6 sides is ridiculous.

ICC tournaments have been that way for a while and its usually worked out pretty well I think.

[jaybro]

I have to say the Super 6s is the dumbest format I’ve ever seen. The whole thing about only carrying points that you won against other Super 6 sides is ridiculous.

ICC tournaments have been that way for a while and its usually worked out pretty well I think.

I don't understand why you can't carry all of your points over?

As I said, Afghanistan paid no penalty for losing to Hong Kong, in fact Zimbabwe should have thrown their game v Hong Kong, then they would have knocked Afghanistan out

[Andy31]

USA's Ali Khan took a 7-fer vs Jersey. He took five wickets in his first 16 deliveries...surely that must be the fastest 5 wicket haul in ODI history!

USA clinches their sport for the Qualifiers!!!

Namibia and UAE still in contention but UAE almost certainly through unless they slip up big time vs Jersey.

I think UAE are guaranteed through already. They are doing it on head-to-head rather than NRR, which is fucking idiotic. Also it seems the ICC didn't actually tell anyone including the teams about it

Associate twitter is furious lol. Also furious about the apparently horrendous umpiring. And apparently Ali Khan and the Americans were cunts during play

Saw photos of them cheering on UAE in the Jersey match.
I don't know obviously the reach of players they have (i.e from england) but for a country of no more then 100,000 people, its an effort to get this far.

[TapsC2]

I have to say the Super 6s is the dumbest format I’ve ever seen. The whole thing about only carrying points that you won against other Super 6 sides is ridiculous.

ICC tournaments have been that way for a while and its usually worked out pretty well I think.

I don't understand why you can't carry all of your points over?

As I said, Afghanistan paid no penalty for losing to Hong Kong, in fact Zimbabwe should have thrown their game v Hong Kong, then they would have knocked Afghanistan out

To me that is the big problem. There is room for fixing. In a similar situation now I wouldn't be surprised to see Zim "resting" Williams, Ervine, Ballance and Raza if it means knocking the West Indies out for example. You never want a tournament where losing can be beneficial. Every point must count.

[Kriterion_BD]

I don't understand why you can't carry all of your points over?

Because the Super 6 stage is a completely separate stage. It makes very little sense to count points from non-Super 6 stage matches in the Super 6, a fact that should be pretty obvious. To argue otherwise, would be like suggesting that points should carry over from the World Cup Qualifer to the World Cup proper or that NBA regular season records should be carried over to the Playoffs. The NBA playoffs are a brand new stage and everyone starts from scratch.

You might argue that losing to Hong Kong should carry a penalty, and it did...Afghanistan nearly didn't qualify for the Super 6 stage because of their poor performance. Whether ZIM should have thrown their game vs HK or not I don't know. Things like that have happened before at the FIFA world cup with allegations of certain teams intentionally playing out a draw in the group stage, in order to knock a 3rd team out. Is that a glitch in the system? Sure maybe. But does FIFA need to revamp their entire format because of it? I haven't heard anyone make that argument as of yet.

[jaybro]

Because the Super 6 stage is a completely separate stage. It makes very little sense to count points from non-Super 6 stage matches in the Super 6, a fact that should be pretty obvious. To argue otherwise, would be like suggesting that points should carry over from the World Cup Qualifer to the World Cup proper or that NBA regular season records should be carried over to the Playoffs. The NBA playoffs are a brand new stage and everyone starts from scratch.

Umm you do realise that in the Super 6s you do carry some of your points across, just not all of them. You only take the points that you acquired against the other two teams that also made it out of your group stage.

For example, Zimbabwe took 3 points from their win over Afghanistan & draw v Scotland. They didn’t get to take the four points they won from beating Nepal or Hong Kong.

So as you can see, Zimbabwe got no advantage from beating Hong Kong & Afghanistan were not disadvantaged from losing to Hong Kong.

That should be pretty obvious right?

Comparing to the previous qualifiers is stupid, it’s a totally different tournament, and if you argue the Super 6s is totally different from the group stages, then why do they take any points across at all?

Ultimately Zimbabwe won 4 games drew 1 and lost 2 yet they got knocked out. Afghanistan lost 3 games in the group stages yet went through.

Unless you’re being totally stubborn & obnoxious surely you can see that is a flawed format?

You might argue that losing to Hong Kong should carry a penalty, and it did...Afghanistan nearly didn't qualify for the Super 6 stage because of their poor performance. Whether ZIM should have thrown their game vs HK or not I don't know. Things like that have happened before at the FIFA world cup with allegations of certain teams intentionally playing out a draw in the group stage, in order to knock a 3rd team out. Is that a glitch in the system? Sure maybe. But does FIFA need to revamp their entire format because of it? I haven't heard anyone make that argument as of yet.

In what world is ‘nearly didnt qualify’ count as a disadvantage? Ultimately they didn’t get knocked out, they didn’t get disadvantaged because the fixtures v Hong Kong & Nepal are erased from the equation once you get to Super 6s.

If you can’t see the problem that’s your issue, don’t make out that I’m the one missing the obvious.