2023 ODI World Cup Discussion

[Pat_Bee]

England started well with a crushing moral victory hey

[eugene]

What a pathetic crowd for the opening match of a World Cup. Of course India are deliberately sabotaging the tournament so they can turn around and say - "see, nobody likes ODI cricket, let's play ILP 10 months of the year!". It is basically impossible for any overseas fans to make the trip as the schedule was announced so late and was still being changed up until six weeks ago. The locals would rather not line up like cattle to buy tickets in person as online sales don't seem to exist in the BCCI universe or get beaten by police when they complain the stadium toilets aren't working. I also think many Indian cricket fans aren't really fans of the game, they are just fans of the IPL and Indian players.

[Crastle_cog]

In India we might have the biggest market in cricket but there is something you guys need to know. Throughout the board across most gen-z individuals, the craze for cricket is at it's all time low. Our newer generation is much more interested in other sports than the previous generations were and it's being reflected. Why wouldn't you when it's just repeatative. Every year play against Australia and England and call it a day. It gets really boring after a certain point. I don't even remember the last time I saw an ICT game live lol. Ofc it varies from region to region. My experience in Bengal will differ from another guy's experience in say Delhi but the overall consensus is that the interest is on a decline. Don't get me wrong, it won't be dying anytime soon but the gradual shift of interest as most of Gen Z reaches the 30 year mark and form the main market will be quite noticeable. Even for the normal Indian public , most of the people won't be able to name half of the 15 man squads there at the wc except for India itself. And I'm saying that for the people who'd be watching the games from the stadium.

[sam_ahm]

In India we might have the biggest market in cricket but there is something you guys need to know. Throughout the board across most gen-z individuals, the craze for cricket is at it's all time low. Our newer generation is much more interested in other sports than the previous generations were and it's being reflected. Why wouldn't you when it's just repeatative. Every year play against Australia and England and call it a day. It gets really boring after a certain point. I don't even remember the last time I saw an ICT game live lol. Ofc it varies from region to region. My experience in Bengal will differ from another guy's experience in say Delhi but the overall consensus is that the interest is on a decline. Don't get me wrong, it won't be dying anytime soon but the gradual shift of interest as most of Gen Z reaches the 30 year mark and form the main market will be quite noticeable. Even for the normal Indian public , most of the people won't be able to name half of the 15 man squads there at the wc except for India itself. And I'm saying that for the people who'd be watching the games from the stadium.

Yup that's a good post. Agreed.

More importantly Indian fans, most of them, are Indian cricket fans, they won't even know about majority of the players in some of the other nations unless those lads also play the IPL.

This WC hasn't been marketed well either. I haven't seen such a low profile build up to a WC ever.

On top of all that Star Sports and experts on media and social media are only talking about India... Some are behaving as if we are already in semis.. Gill top scorer, Rohit double hundred, Virat another 3 centuries, Kuldeep, Bumraj, Siraj... It's been all about India, India, India as if other teams do not exist.

Even on the day of Eng-NZ match Star Sports was showing Indian team has landed in Chennai visuals... I really lost hope after that

In the pre show Star Sports didn't even mention about Netherlands, as if they are not even there. Absolutely hopeless broadcasting.

[sloandog]

Genuine question. Is curran over rated? I hardly ever see him come off with the bat

[eugene]

New Zealand has a similar problem with rugby. Most New Zealanders are fans of the All Blacks, but fewer are fans of rugby any more. Most would struggle to name more than a few Springboks or Wallabies. I bet the only French player they can name is Antoine Dupont. Super Rugby is played to half empty stadiums and the local provincial championship has crowds in the hundreds. This in a country where rugby is supposedly the religion.

[TapsC2]

Genuine question. Is curran over rated? I hardly ever see him come off with the bat

Even if you look at his numbers overall. I'm not saying he isn't good but I don't believe the hype around him. To be fair I don't watch England that much, maybe he delivers in clutch moments.

[Crastle_cog]

In India we might have the biggest market in cricket but there is something you guys need to know. Throughout the board across most gen-z individuals, the craze for cricket is at it's all time low. Our newer generation is much more interested in other sports than the previous generations were and it's being reflected. Why wouldn't you when it's just repeatative. Every year play against Australia and England and call it a day. It gets really boring after a certain point. I don't even remember the last time I saw an ICT game live lol. Ofc it varies from region to region. My experience in Bengal will differ from another guy's experience in say Delhi but the overall consensus is that the interest is on a decline. Don't get me wrong, it won't be dying anytime soon but the gradual shift of interest as most of Gen Z reaches the 30 year mark and form the main market will be quite noticeable. Even for the normal Indian public , most of the people won't be able to name half of the 15 man squads there at the wc except for India itself. And I'm saying that for the people who'd be watching the games from the stadium.

Yup that's a good post. Agreed.

More importantly Indian fans, most of them, are Indian cricket fans, they won't even know about majority of the players in some of the other nations unless those lads also play the IPL.

This WC hasn't been marketed well either. I haven't seen such a low profile build up to a WC ever.

On top of all that Star Sports and experts on media and social media are only talking about India... Some are behaving as if we are already in semis.. Gill top scorer, Rohit double hundred, Virat another 3 centuries, Kuldeep, Bumraj, Siraj... It's been all about India, India, India as if other teams do not exist.

Even on the day of Eng-NZ match Star Sports was showing Indian team has landed in Chennai visuals... I really lost hope after that

In the pre show Star Sports didn't even mention about Netherlands, as if they are not even there. Absolutely hopeless broadcasting.

I hate the Americanization of our culture in cricket. Part of the reason I lost interest in the ICT. It's so broken. This mindset will only take you so far, the default perceived notion that you're the best and no one else can compete lol. And don't get me started on broadcasting and Star Sports. They would rather broadcast a cricketer's birthday when your country is going all out in a football match against top asian sides say which they only are supposed to broadcast. They're just dogs of BCCI and I'm not even joking.

[Googly]

I read somewhere that Curran was potentially the next white ball captain. He would probably make a good one, I think he has good instincts. He often takes key wickets at important times so has something to offer with the ball.
I've always maintained he got pushed down the wrong path at Surrey. They considered him a better bowler than a batsman. At school he was an unbelievably exciting batter, and at Zim age group was a first change bowler, but he was a little guy back then so that's understandable.
But he didn't often do well against tight bowling, he'd give it away, a bad habit he's never really gotten out of. He just doesn't seem to put a price on his wicket. He's played some solid innings obviously, but he generally plays freely and if he goes out he goes out.
Against loose bowling he's unbelievable. He has a fantastic eye. But at the level he plays you don't get much of that.
At international level there are plenty of Currans though. He's with the best of the best and he's probably somewhere in the middle of that pack. That's surely good enough.
Again at international level he's not fast, but has good control, skiddy, with a surprising bouncer. An average fielder...at international level.
To call a guy of his caliber overrated just doesn't quite fit, but having said that he can have very ordinary spells with bat and ball, then from nowhere he can deliver.

If you look at his stats they're not that good actually. They're certainly not shit, but they're not stand out. He can win games with the ball though. It's a weird one.
Don't forget he has an MBE.

[Pat_Bee]

Genuine question. Is curran over rated? I hardly ever see him come off with the bat

Well, you know I’m going to say yes ! To be fair he talks a good game and I can see his mind is sharp, doesn’t always translate to great performances though.