Zimbabwe Vs West Indies | T20WC2022 | Match Thread

[TapsC2]

Thing is with the Houghton style of cricket we will get a lot of results like this. It's sink or swim and so far it has worked relatively well.

A good example of this is Munyonga being drafted straight into the top order. There is no more hiding.. you are in the squad as a batsman.. then you should be able to bat in any position. No more cowardice.. I am a fan.. it worked with the bowlers and 1 day it will work with the batsmen.. Williams and Ervine probably won't play past next year.. you have to step up..

Alzarri Joseph was absolutely world class today. Not many guys who don't play for the big 3 will survive 145kph bouncers...we have to accept that.. I think his fastest ball came at 148kph..that's not a joke. We live and we learn

[TapsC2]

This timidness is the reason why most of our players can't clear the ropes.. they always had that fear of getting dropped... it creates very mediocre players who don't back their ability.. I'm a fan of this new approach.. if your childhood dream was to score a century or get 5 wickets at a world cup then you should be able to play in any conditions on this planet and not be scared.

[slcricfan1]

Thing is with the Houghton style of cricket we will get a lot of results like this. It's sink or swim and so far it has worked relatively well.

A good example of this is Munyonga being drafted straight into the top order. There is no more hiding.. you are in the squad as a batsman.. then you should be able to bat in any position. No more cowardice.. I am a fan.. it worked with the bowlers and 1 day it will work with the batsmen.. Williams and Ervine probably won't play past next year.. you have to step up..

Alzarri Joseph was absolutely world class today. Not many guys who don't play for the big 3 will survive 145kph bouncers...we have to accept that.. I think his fastest ball came at 148kph..that's not a joke. We live and we learn

Yeah, we`re going to have to be patient with Munyonga and Shumba too. He might fail every match for the next year but this will be the only way we develop decent batters whether we like it or not.

[zimbos_05]

Thing is with the Houghton style of cricket we will get a lot of results like this. It's sink or swim and so far it has worked relatively well.

A good example of this is Munyonga being drafted straight into the top order. There is no more hiding.. you are in the squad as a batsman.. then you should be able to bat in any position. No more cowardice.. I am a fan.. it worked with the bowlers and 1 day it will work with the batsmen.. Williams and Ervine probably won't play past next year.. you have to step up..

Alzarri Joseph was absolutely world class today. Not many guys who don't play for the big 3 will survive 145kph bouncers...we have to accept that.. I think his fastest ball came at 148kph..that's not a joke. We live and we learn

I'm not against the approach, and I agree we often had the mentality of aiming just not to lose and being timid, however, we can be smarter and need to be smarter.

Shumba has gone out the exact same way in two innings. We have often lost wickets at times when we didn't need to. Look at how Charles in the first innings had hit a boundary, tried to go again and was dropped, so then quickly adjusted his game.

Our guys don't read the game as well and need to be smarter. Approach is fine and mentality is fine, but I disagree with you in that, you can't just keep going at one gear and hoping things average out. You need to be smarter.

Dew had built up and batting was going to be harder. We had a good start, so no need to just keep going. I bang on about it, rotate the strike. That's all that was needed.

[Kriterion_BD]

I am under no illusions that I am probably the pessimistic poster. I accept that.

In saying that, it's because of how often we lose games as opposed to get beaten.

We are winnable positions in so many of the games we play but we do some really dumb stuff and end up losing the game all on our own. Last night was a prime example of that. Did all the hard work with the ball and were easily in a winnable spot, only to go and throw it all away.

We now go into Friday with so much pressure on us and we've done that to ourselves.

I get we've had a mini resurgence, but we also need to be smart when we play. Just swinging the bat at every ball isn't smart cricket. Nice to trounce Singapore and PNG, but we are capable of beating big teams and need to start acting like it. Against Ireland we let them get 20 more runs than they needed.

I love this team way too much to keep seeing us throw away games unnecessarily.

Zimbabwe had this game in the bag. 100% true. Another game somewhat similar to this was the infamous UAE game. 24 off 18 or something required with 2 set batsmen at the crease or something like that. Definitely ZIM beating itself.

However, I'm not sure if there too many other examples like this.

[secretzimbo]

Thing is with the Houghton style of cricket we will get a lot of results like this. It's sink or swim and so far it has worked relatively well.

A good example of this is Munyonga being drafted straight into the top order. There is no more hiding.. you are in the squad as a batsman.. then you should be able to bat in any position. No more cowardice.. I am a fan.. it worked with the bowlers and 1 day it will work with the batsmen.. Williams and Ervine probably won't play past next year.. you have to step up..

It's a great approach in general, especially if batting first or chasing 200. But the fact is we were chasing 150 and already had an excellent first five overs. The teams needs to have more than 1 default mode and be able to adapt strategy.

[Googly]

The dew factor assists the batters in that it makes fielding tougher and definitely makes it very difficult to grip the ball as a spinner, not the other way around.

Do we lack that much depth that we can afford to persevere with Munyonga and Shumba for an entire year? That's a luxury no team trying to improve has. We have Marumani in the wings and have to find others. Shumba and Munyonga have to make runs in our domestic league and receive whatever coaching is necessary to get them going (if they have the capacity) outside of international cricket. Its not the place to learn. In fact it's counter-productive, you're way more likely to get whatever confidence you may have left completely smashed out of you.

[Googly]

I'm still amazed at the swing available in this tournament. I'm watching Trumpleman, what a handful!! He'd trouble any batsman on the planet.

[slcricfan1]

The dew factor assists the batters in that it makes fielding tougher and definitely makes it very difficult to grip the ball as a spinner, not the other way around.

Do we lack that much depth that we can afford to persevere with Munyonga and Shumba for an entire year? That's a luxury no team trying to improve has. We have Marumani in the wings and have to find others. Shumba and Munyonga have to make runs in our domestic league and receive whatever coaching is necessary to get them going (if they have the capacity) outside of international cricket. Its not the place to learn. In fact it's counter-productive, you're way more likely to get whatever confidence you may have left completely smashed out of you.

I mean yeah up to coaches really to identify whether the batter is losing his confidence or whatever but in Sl`s case we persevered with Nissanka who was averaging 10 in his fist year from 7 innings or something but then kicked on this year. I dont think Zimbabwe have the depth to do otherwise unfortunately

[TapsC2]

Shumba has an average of 22 and a strike rate of 113 in T20I.. the strike rate stays the same if you add all his T20 games and the average goes to 26. He actually almost single handedly won us a T20 against our opponents on Friday which won us the series. Against Ireland he anchored ok whilst Raza was attacking. He got runs against Sri Lanka in the warm up. He has gotten out on his own mistakes, he wasn't completely done by a delivery. My argument for him would be to move up the order and anchor when Ervine goes. He can play that role. Otherwise overall he deserves to be in the squad.

Marumani averages 12 in this format with a strike rate of 95.. the stats get better when you add all his games to an average in the 23 and a strike rate of 126 but what this clearly shows is that he is a domestic bully. Shumbas stats barely changed an he actually has a higher T20 average. he was doing well in ODIs and what he has learnt is to hold his nerve and not attack everything but he is still far from the finished product

Munyonga's stats are not great but they are actually better than Marumani's in T20i. They also jump the exact same way Marumani's stats jump when you add all his games. So it was probably a call between him and Marumani.

These guys are actually all very close and I don't think they mind that 4 out of 5 of them are at the world cup. They will all be at the next world cup I'm sure. They are kids with 15 plus years of cricket left