betterdays wrote:FlowerPower wrote:
Look I'm not looking for a fight I don't like it and you obviously do...it was an aside, never "the" point. My saying it's a circus was never meant to convince you...just a matter of fact...fact that I don't value it and it isn't really cricket...like sevens(which I enjoy) is to 15s...end of...you obviously like the circus....life goes on...I'm not on a recruitment drive just stating my feelings which as much as you, I'm entitled.
Now can we move on?
You called it 'circus' once - i responded that it has value ... you did it again saying: "i had to get that in" I left it ... you mentioned it a third time. I responded (correctly) that it may not be Tests but is important to cricket. And you reply is I'm looking for a fight?? what happened to your balance - that was always so evident. Then you compare it to 7s(I don't
recall a 7s player ever crossing into Union internationally ... not in the way that T20 stars do
all the time!! - not that I'm the best judge, it may have happened somewhere like Fiji)
I
had moved on.
Yup - i like it... and have no need for others to do so but will defend it when under attack
I don't like a fight (though you present the opposite as a fact not a feeling)
it is not a circus to everyone (though you present it as a fact not a feeling)
7s is not equivalent to T20 (which you present as a fact not a feeling) in as much as i described earlier
we are entitled to opinions but facts - if questionable - will be questioned!!
I could list the blitzBok members who play 15s, the Zim 7s guys who make slicing out of 15s, and the fact that Im under no illusions T20 is not perfectly parallel to 7s....but that would be splitting hairs and sinking into a bottomless pit of argument and counter arguments....instead I will offer my final thoughts....
1. Like the Jarvis and Vitoria detractors I have ridiculed T20, I realize that may not be fair, as there are many including a billion in India who are hooked on the stuff. My error was to air my view, which may have touch a nerve here. My apology is offered.
2. I dont believe T20 is a basis for pointing to great skills and test of them...I believe that is why we have been able to beat Australia twice but never in Test....but I understand that unpredictability may be it's X factor...I just don't think it separates the goat from the sheep well enough....not a fact, just MY view.
3. I think you missed the point totally about "fact"....the FACT is that it's my view it's a circus...the "viewpoint"is a fact...it's a fact that I don't rate it....never meant to imply that therefore T20 is useless being a fact....that's a subjective point and proving subjective notions is never conclusive. I hope you get my point. If it's any consolation I abhor people who make their opinions/preferences facts. So rest assured I am with you there.
4. This is really a side show...my point was Querl may not have impressed in T20 (which for me doesn't mean lack of ability)...he has done well in FC which in mho is more accurate yardstick...
I rest my case and respectfully recuse myself from the debate and respect your awe of the format and reserve my right to be underwhelmed.
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