#ZCBOARD MUST GO

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The tstotis were so arrogant that they didn’t even adhere to the very constitution that they’ve manipulated over the years to keep their kith and kin at the helm, that’s why.
SRC pounced on this non adherence. ICC are ignoring the facts, which is non compliance of their own constitution that they themselves wrote.

Exactly.

1. The SRC is using its oversight to say that ZC did not hold fair elections and therefore the board was illegitimate.
2. The ICC is saying is saying the SRC (as an extension of the government - let's be honest, that can't be disputed) interfered and that violates their rules.

It's possible that both statements are correct. But for the money to keep rolling in, the ICC say reinstate the old board. The SRC don't want to do that because the old ZC board allegedly violated the SRC Act.

The ICC, as powerful as it is with the money that it has, shouldn't be able to trump the law of the land.

Once again, a failure to observe basics.

Does the SRC have a blanket court order to back them up?

The situation in India, BCCI, was directed by the highest courts in that land.

The Zimbabwean government(Sports Minister) and majority party(ZANU Chief Whip) have disassociated themselves from the SRC mandate and authority. This will be crucial in any court case. Legally, and in terms of perception, what authority does the SRC have? What is its legal standing to pronounce on anything or any sport in Zimbabwe? In South Africa - and I would imagine most lands - there would be no ambiguity as to the relevance of Constitutional Bodies and their authority.

The Sports Minister and SRC head failed a simple ICC test. Only way for ICC to resolve this is to approach the highest court in the land to emphasis it's role/position in the Constitution. Once that has been established, they need to take ZC to a court which empowers SRC on authority that thair original court application will have established.

As things stand, SRC is irrelevant to both ZC and ICC. Rightfully so.

How many times have FIFA, CAF and ZIFA ignored the SRC?

This is why SRC needs to approach the courts to have their role in Zimbabwe/Constitution clarified so it can have relevance.

[Googly]

What do you mean nobody said anything? People are forever pointing out the shenanigans of these blokes, black and white.

[ZIMDOGGY]

I want to say this bit carefully because I dont want it to be misconstrued.

But from a cricket fan consuming a product perspective, who cares if players who came from humble beginnings lose it all?

On an individual level, of course we and I should care, but its tail wagging the dog stuff to justify incompetence and a dying mismanaged organisation because of the personal suffering it will inflict a small few.

Think of your favourite elite professional sport in another code, be it Premier league soccer, Super Rugby, the NFL, AFL, NFL, whatever....as long as its an elite sporting club.

Now imagine your team starts to suffer on the field. Players put on weight, over three years they drop from a top 3 team to wooden spooners.

You as a fan would be angry and call for heads to be rolled.

Imagine that the coach then came out and said 'listen, it sucks, but i cant replace the guys in my squad because X player has a mortgage and will lose his home, and Y player has no education, and the support conditioner cant be fired because no one will hire him'. You would be even angrier at this.

The individual shouldnt factor in this. We cant roll over because this bloke lost his umpiring gig.
Yes it sucks, and maybe he will starve to death.
Or, maybe he will go to a fallback career and earn twice as much money
Maybe he will migrate to SA and continue on roughly the same.

We dont know.
We do know though that with proper management his ceiling of income and career will be higher, so as hard as it is he needs to life the safe ceiling of potential and modest income and join the train.


Tails dont wag the dog
Government mints dont change their denominations to appease slot machine providers
One guys personal circumstance doesnt influence a whole industry.

[Googly]

Everybody is going to suffer if we’re expelled. There’s no who’s going to suffer the most. If you think it’s the black guys that will suffer the most then they should have done more to run this properly and they should have put in checks and balances to stop these people entrenching themselves many many years ago. The fact is they were ok with it because they were getting gigs that some didn’t deserve, that’s the truth.

[ZIMDOGGY]

@Encore, its funny because you were all for the purge of the rebels when you believed it was for the greater good of the game in Zim.

[brmtaylor.com admin]

I wouldn't put it in those words ZIMDOGGY, but your sentiment is right, sadly.

Like I said in an earlier post, cricket is either sustainable or it's not.

In the free market, if it's sustainable it will survive. The ICC may stop funding, but maybe a few local sponsors get involved and there's enough support for the game that people will go and watch inter-provincial stuff, and there's enough money floating around that players can earn a living from it (or they do it for the love of it).

OR, it's not sustainable and it will die. In which case why should it be propped up forever by the ICC? If it's not sustainable, what's the damn point?

Development of the game is important (return on investment in the long term), but it can't just be a funding black hole.

[Googly]

It’s the same old thing- relying on handouts. As long as someone is prepared to keep sending the loot without really worrying about how it’s spent people will find ways to abuse it and will become totally dependent on it.
That thing you said about the black guys needing this more than the whites has really stung. It’s so not true.
Having other options is not a crime. And 40 or so years after independence everyone should have other options. The fact is a lot of people do.
Having a bunch of second rate players and staff (there are first rate ones too, don’t get me wrong) being totally reliant on the sport doesn’t mean anyone should roll over. That’s what they’re banking on. That was a clever dick act of desperation and currently looks like it’s backfired on the twat. And still nobody is shouting at ZC. How does that work? They’re the problem, they got themselves suspended. Looked like it might work, currently looking like it might not, who knows about tomorrow, but still nobody is prepared to stand up and shout at them. I just don’t get that at all?

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Sadly, this forum, and the positions of most members, are a consequences of consuming a lot of what you've been saying Googly. I will make time to find the right post - and believe me you've been shamelessly hammering that fact all along, but clearly, the gist of your reasoning has never been in doubt. And many here cannot pretend to not share your reasoning all along.

Sorry one last word- that's less than a dollar per player! There's a mentality of relying on ZC which has failed every time. If you can't cough a couple of dollars between 24 players to stage a game then there's not much point. We've gone from demanding $10 or $20 bucks "appearance" money to having to pay to play but still no-one is recognizing this fact. Most sports cost money to play and cricket is no different. Everyone stands with their hands out. I accept that times are hard but if you can't afford a buck then definitely don't play because that implies you haven't had any food and you're also hungry and not going to have the energy levels to give of your best. I don't want to carry on with my negativity but this place doesn't make it easy to be anything other than that.

Lilfordia has lighting of sorts, but they are in serious disrepair. Four low posts (maybe 5 m) with 4 small lights on each. The only way grade 7's can play with any degree of safety is because their eyesight is better than ours!! I told you before that the lighting for HSC is sitting in containers at the ground but there's no money to actually do it, and there's the small matter of the top sections being upside down!!!!!
Onto the school issue- I'm not aware of a single white pupil at any government school in the country. I don't think there's been one for years?
A school is considered a white school, to be discriminated against, if there is one or more white pupils enrolled in it.
There are no private schools that are wholly black. I stand corrected here, not sure what the status of Eaglesvale is, but hopefully they sink into the abyss. The black families that can afford Zim private school education send their kids to the "white" schools and then onto First World Universities. A token effort was made to keep Churchill going as a breeding ground for racially charged games but they have run out of steam.
Schools that are considered "white" have around 30-40% white pupils. They exist because white people keep them going. There are hand picked influential black people on the respective boards that keep the schools going because uneducated racist educationists in the Ministry spend their lives trying to make it difficult for these schools. By and large the rich black parents that can afford these schools make absolutely no contribution towards the upkeep, heritage or continuity of these schools. I apologise to the dozen or so black folk in the last 30 years that have made any meaningful contributions at their respective schools.
In the Zim dollar days I know of seriously rich black people that contributed not one red cent towards keeping the schools going. School fees were fixed and you could educate your child for the equivalent of $5 a term on occasion. Many political figures educated their kids for free as schools were too afraid to boot them out. I think this still happens.
Do I sound disillusioned and pissed off?

No it’s fucking great!! They must get minced and it must collapse. Fuck’em.
They must go.
Watch the kick back Dingo gets from Glen Lodge, belongs in jail.

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But from a cricket fan consuming a product perspective, who cares if players who came from humble beginnings lose it all?

The individual shouldnt factor in this. We cant roll over because this bloke lost his umpiring gig.
Yes it sucks, and maybe he will starve to death.

[Googly]

What’s wrong with the first post? All facts.
Second post I can’t comment because I don’t recall what was being discussed? Something about Singo getting a kick back from the lodge where players stay. That’s the truth.
And pissed off because the players just don’t do a thing about it probably. They just allow these guys to keep abusing the system year in ab year out. Ask the Tuskers players about him.