ICC World Cup Qualifiers 2018, Zimbabwe : Discussion

[TapsC]

Jongwe had potential. Didn't he claim 5 wickets for 6 runs against this same Afghanistan side in the UAE as well. Problem is when either Taibu or Streak doesn't like you your chances of playing are as good as 0. That's the one thing that really frustrates me about them. Taibu has an issue with Jongwe and his drinking/partying apparently.

Instead of kicking him out completely they should have pushed him in the right direction. He has tonnes of potential. Just turned 23 and he couldn't make a rising stars squad which had no depth at all even though He was actually in England as well. He could have tried to reform him then.

I wonder who had the issue with Sean Williams about his medical report not being handed in on time for the January tour. Sounds like a Taibu kind of situation where he put his foot down

Jongwe hasn’t been putting out numbers since he and Chisoro had their boozy night out

You can’t blame Streak & Taibu for everything

I'm not talking about the national team. Im talking about the rising stars.. how can he get back on track if you don't even include him in the development side? Most of that team didn't even have more than 5 domestic games to their name

[CrimsonAvenger]

1- we won with an 8-3 on that long tour we had of Europe and Sri Lanka. It's definitely not a test formation because you won't take 20 wickets but if 7-4 is not working then what's the harm in trying 8-3 again? Isn't it we are experimenting right now?

I agree. On hindsight, 8-3 made a lot of sense. But we can't clinch that in absence of Williams. With him back, we can probably try again.

Why did they take Murray and Mavuta on that tour?

Yeah, that was one bizarre selection.

I wonder who had the issue with Sean Williams about his medical report not being handed in on time for the January tour. Sounds like a Taibu kind of situation where he put his foot down

Discipline must be utmost. Lot of us were blaming Mangongo here when Williams was excluded from the last BD tour, but once we knew the truth, pretty much everyone was on Mangongo's side. Williams has to adhere to basic hygiene expectations. Else, tomorrow someone else can cry foul citing preferential treatment in Williams' case but not his.

And regarding the all rounders, I go back to my gripe that Cremer has pretty much converted people to one dimensional players while they had more to offer. He has done well in his use of Williams and Raza, but that's about it. In fact, I already see a reluctance to use Raza in this series. Agreed Mire and Waller did not infuse much confidence as bowlers, but there are specific match situations where they could be useful. Waller only gets to bowl when two lefties are at the crease, Raza has bowled out and Cremer himself has gone for plenty. Don't even get me started on what has been made of our trusted Golden Arm. He could regularly be bowling at least 5 overs against the largely trigger happy teams like AFG, WI, BD and Pak, who hate it when the ball is not coming on to the bat nicely. And Hamilton could produce some seam movement too in addition to accuracy. He hasn't been bowled for so long that now one wonders if he can do that job at all, but the skipper has brought it to this stage and is facing the consequences of that on the field with not many options to work with.

[Black Mamba]

No, there are no semis. Only the super 6. Top 2 go to the world cup.

Thanks.

If all goes to plan, Zimbabwe will be battling it out with Afghanistan on NRR to secure that second spot.


Group A:
Papua New Guinea v United Arab Emirates
Ireland v Netherlands
Papua New Guinea v Ireland
West Indies v United Arab Emirates
Netherlands v United Arab Emirates
West Indies v Papua New Guinea
West Indies v Ireland
Papua New Guinea v Netherlands
West Indies v Netherlands
Ireland v United Arab Emirates

West Indies, Ireland and Netherlands progress to Super Sixes.

Group B:
Zimbabwe vs Nepal
Afghanistan vs Scotland
Zimbabwe vs Afghanistan
Scotland vs Hong Kong
Scotland vs Nepal
Afghanistan vs Hong Kong
Zimbabwe vs Hong Kong
Afghanistan vs Nepal
Hong Kong vs Nepal
Zimbabwe vs Scotland

Afghanistan, Zimbabwe and Scotland progress to Super Sixes.

Super Sixes:
West Indies v Afghanistan
Netherlands v Scotland
Zimbabwe v Ireland
Ireland v Scotland
West Indies v Zimbabwe
Netherlands v Afghanistan
West Indies v Scotland
Zimbabwe v Netherlands
Ireland v Afghanistan

West Indies secure the 1st world cup spot. Second spot is Zimbabwe or Afghanistan depending on NRR.

Doesn't think path of Zimbabwe to Super Six will be smooth. Nepal Side can surprise, they might bring some changes with few under 19s who had great time in youth asia cup to boost their weak batting.At present, Zimbabwe doesn't have any clue to counter spinners, Basant Regmi and Sandeep Lamichhane can be hard to get away.


If Zimbabwe reaches, Super Six stage, doesnt seem they can worry Windies or Afghanistan. Even Afghans might be the first team to qualify for World Cup then Windies as they are having a side with full of talents for top level cricket. 5 back to back series loss for Zimbabwe against Afghanistan, time to declare, there is a huge difference between the two teamas. Zim needs to play exceptional cricket for qualification to World Cup

[The Robot]

March 25th, Windies & Zimbabwe will meet in the final and both will qualify for World Cup 2019

First time Zimbabwe might find support from Ireland Cricket in criticizing ICC' move of arranging 10 team world cup, not giving direct qualification opportunity to 12 full member test playing nations

[brmtaylor.com admin]

No, there are no semis. Only the super 6. Top 2 go to the world cup.

Thanks.

If all goes to plan, Zimbabwe will be battling it out with Afghanistan on NRR to secure that second spot.


Group A:
Papua New Guinea v United Arab Emirates
Ireland v Netherlands
Papua New Guinea v Ireland
West Indies v United Arab Emirates
Netherlands v United Arab Emirates
West Indies v Papua New Guinea
West Indies v Ireland
Papua New Guinea v Netherlands
West Indies v Netherlands
Ireland v United Arab Emirates

West Indies, Ireland and Netherlands progress to Super Sixes.

Group B:
Zimbabwe vs Nepal
Afghanistan vs Scotland
Zimbabwe vs Afghanistan
Scotland vs Hong Kong
Scotland vs Nepal
Afghanistan vs Hong Kong
Zimbabwe vs Hong Kong
Afghanistan vs Nepal
Hong Kong vs Nepal
Zimbabwe vs Scotland

Afghanistan, Zimbabwe and Scotland progress to Super Sixes.

Super Sixes:
West Indies v Afghanistan
Netherlands v Scotland
Zimbabwe v Ireland
Ireland v Scotland
West Indies v Zimbabwe
Netherlands v Afghanistan
West Indies v Scotland
Zimbabwe v Netherlands
Ireland v Afghanistan

West Indies secure the 1st world cup spot. Second spot is Zimbabwe or Afghanistan depending on NRR.

I'm not sure we'd be favourites in a Zimbabwe vs Ireland match up. They've dropped off the pace a bit recently, but every time we've played them they've always had this arrogant disrespect for Zimbabwe which unfortunately seems to work in their favour.

[zimfan1]

I'm not sure we'd be favourites in a Zimbabwe vs Ireland match up. They've dropped off the pace a bit recently, but every time we've played them they've always had this arrogant disrespect for Zimbabwe which unfortunately seems to work in their favour.

Agreed, I hate Ireland with a passion for the reasons that you have stated above. I want them to lose every game of cricket they play.

[TapsC]

The irish are not better than us. I hate them with a passion too and i will stick to it. I dont rate county cricket as the gold standard anymore after seeing Jarvis and Taylor coming back. They are good but not by a significant margin.

Beating Afghanistan doesn't make them better than us. It's like judging Zim for being the first country to chase 300 in Sri Lanka. That doesnt make us an elite team..Every game is different.

Until the Irish beat most of the full members in any format I will never put them above us. England and S.A. are the only full members we haven't beaten in 1 format or the other in the last 5 years. That's actually a decent record

[Stoneman Returns]

The irish are not better than us. I hate them with a passion too and i will stick to it. I dont rate county cricket as the gold standard anymore after seeing Jarvis and Taylor coming back. They are good but not by a significant margin.

Beating Afghanistan doesn't make them better than us. It's like judging Zim for being the first country to chase 300 in Sri Lanka. That doesnt make us an elite team..Every game is different.

Until the Irish beat most of the full members in any format I will never put them above us. England and S.A. are the only full members we haven't beaten in 1 format or the other in the last 5 years. That's actually a decent record

You might have personal dislike for Irish Cricket, but in reality they are now far better side then Zimbabwe, pace bowling has improved with the presence of youths like McCarthy, Peter Chase.Both can swing the bowl at higher 130 - 135 kph.There is an experience with the presence of Tim Murtagh and return of Boyd Rankin. Dockrell is considered one of the talented spinner and has improved playing more cricket. Simi Singh, an indian origin irish player will be the man to watch for, as he is a quality spinner and a great smasher of the ball. Addition of James Shanon will boost the middle order.County Cricket are'nt gold standard, but still Zimbabwe needed Jarvis and Taylor back, and were trying right from 2015, till 2017 when the ice broke between ZC and the two players.England haven't played with Zimbabwe and South Africa always featured their best players against Zimbabwe, beating Pakistan or Indian side in one or two billateral series doesn't make Zim strong, as most of them were A or B team players.

Wake up lol. Irish aren't that 2015 side, depending on medium pace of O' brien or Mooney . Zimbabwe lost 5 odi series back to back against Afghanistan, even they lost in UAE , beating Afghanistan and winning odi series in UAE matters and makes them better, Irish played lot of games in UAE recently and the pitches here will be close to Zimbabwean pitches, slow and spin friendly. Zimbabwe win against Sri Lanka was a fluke, even Scotland beat that Sri Lankan side, Sri Lanka are showing some development, under new coach. This time Irish will definately smash Zimbabwe, whose confidence has been shatteted.

HARSH BUT TRUE, PROBABLY ZIMBABWE HAS PLAYED THEIR LAST WORLD CUP IN 2015

[Black Mamba]

Demanded Neville Madziva, Luke Jongwe, Donald Tiripano, Wellington Masakadza, Cephas Zhuwao, Timycem Maruma and Chamunorwa Chibhabha back

Madziva - Haven't proved enough in domestic cricket 2017 season, was smashed in UAE for Zimbabwe A tour.

Luke Jongwe - He deserve another go as he was dropped not because of performance

Donald Tiripano - Average Player better to be called as "bits and pieces " cricketer

Wellington Masakadza - Chisoro is preferred over him, for his batting ability

Chamunorwa Chibhabha - One of the biggest smashers of weak teams and one of the terrible against strong teams. No problem about him, performing against Hong Kong or Nepal, but will definately fail against Afghanistan and Super Six matches

Timycen Maruma - Strange demand for selection

Cephas Zhuwao - Mixed reaction, could have been find a place, but in Super Six, won't find any team like Kenya



http://www.sundaymail.co.zw/what-are-you-doing-taibu/

[ZIMDOGGY]

Well we have Mire?

When was the last time he bowled? Not the time now to throw him in as an all rounder. He has his spot as a batsman, which makes it all the more reason for him to actually score some runs. His role is not as a pinch hitter.

We always tended to have a decent all rounder in the team. This is where the issue comes in in terms of planning. At the moment, without a decent all rounder, we need to have a team that has a bowling attack that can do the damage, whilst having a longer batting line up.

But we do have decent all rounders though?
Raza and Williams.

Three front liners and those two and mire/hammy if we need.

8/3 the way for sure