ICC World Cup Qualifiers 2018, Zimbabwe : Discussion

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I still hold out a lot of hope that we will qualify.
The ace up our sleeve is home ground advantage. I suspect that will quell Afghanistan spin.

We should cruise to the semis then we just gotta win that. Which will be at home.

That’s all the equation is
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Black Mamba wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:14 am
Demanded Neville Madziva, Luke Jongwe, Donald Tiripano, Wellington Masakadza, Cephas Zhuwao, Timycem Maruma and Chamunorwa Chibhabha back :)

Madziva - Haven't proved enough in domestic cricket 2017 season, was smashed in UAE for Zimbabwe A tour.

Luke Jongwe - He deserve another go as he was dropped not because of performance

Donald Tiripano - Average Player better to be called as "bits and pieces " cricketer

Wellington Masakadza - Chisoro is preferred over him, for his batting ability

Chamunorwa Chibhabha - One of the biggest smashers of weak teams and one of the terrible against strong teams. No problem about him, performing against Hong Kong or Nepal, but will definately fail against Afghanistan and Super Six matches

Timycen Maruma - Strange demand for selection

Cephas Zhuwao - Mixed reaction, could have been find a place, but in Super Six, won't find any team like Kenya



http://www.sundaymail.co.zw/what-are-you-doing-taibu/

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That article is the beginning of the revolt that I have been talking about. Expect more. It has valid points too. Maybe the names mentioned might not be the best but it's also clear that PJ Waller and Burl are struggling. Burl has to produce that knock very soon.

With Zhuwao they are going to argue that the kids who were picked(Tari and Burl) were struggling against the same Kenya we are saying was weak. In fact going on our weird history you would most likely see a Chamu scoring big in a tournament like the qualifier than the likes of Tari or Burl. Don't know why. In fact Chamu came back into the team because of a big century against an associate

In the end the selectors have their reasons and it wouldn't be fair to judge them because we don't know. What every fan wants now is clarity I guess. They just need to explain why they are picking certain players. Why Burl is still there or PJ or Tari. Why Zhuwao isn't there. What the other guys need to do. There is obviously a clear bias towards the rising stars as well.

Someone like Kevin Kasuza is a very good example. The kid is 24. Has a FC average of 32 from 49 games. PJ has the same average from 47 games and he has proven to be a very handy and gritty test player where strike rotation is not a priority for him. Brian Chari has a FC average of 24 after 57 games but we all know Streak would pick Chari over Kasuza.

Ernest Masuku is another one. He came into the domestic scene this season with a bang. Claiming 30 wickets in 6 games. He was getting a lot of LBWs suggesting that he gets a lot of movement.. That's extremely impressive but he didn't even play against Kenya. Blessing Muzarabani who I really like has played 6 games with 18 wickets and he went straight into the national side. Cleary this is because Taibu knows the rising stars players.

The argument then becomes how does a selector based in England know about the rest of the players on the ground?. Somebody like Masuku is clearly special but has Taibu even seem him play? He needs to move back or quit the job. It's a bit ridiculous if you really think about it. Not rewarding players performing on the domestic front is very risky business.

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In my heart I think Cephas will be a poor mans Mire, who in turn is a poor mans ben cutting who is a poor mans Aaron Finch, but he is very justified in asking himself wtf else he has to do at this point to get a look in, especially with the performances of people like Waller right now. He’s stuck between a rock and a hard place.
Yet another reason why first class teams need to be culled.

I think he should play though, at least against the retard nations, so we have a higher NRR.

The problem is he’s also like 33 or something, we are at a stage that post World Cup we desperately need to euthanise the senior citizens on the fringe.
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The problem faced with selection is simple. ZC just needs a bigger selection panel and not just Taibu and coach. A couple of representatives from local scene would add value and bring domestic performers to light. But probably ZC does not want to intervene and topple the apple-cart that is the Taibu-Streak combo. They will live and die by their decisions with no one else to point fingers at.

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I would stick zhuwayo to partner Hamilton at top of order. Stick mire down at 7
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Zhuwao opening reminds me of the ill-fated Coventry experiment at the top of the order.
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eugene wrote:
Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:35 am
Zhuwao opening reminds me of the ill-fated Coventry experiment at the top of the order.
I was thinking the other day Mire is quickly turning into what Coventry became, 1 big innings which people always refer to when discussing the pros of their selection.

Hopefully Mire can turn things around
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I think not having the Pro50 comp going has hurt us as well, It's hard to replace guys who are struggling for guys who aren't playing

Guys like Mutombodzi, Mutizwa and even Zhuwao could have put some runs on the board to push for selection.

Although it's pretty obvious Streak already has his guys he wants
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Coach and Conveyor of Selectors, rates domestic cricket much lower as the players who performed in domestic cricket have failed to deliver at the international stage against top teams. Chakabva, Chibhabha, Chari, Tiripano, Madziva have failed once they were given chances, they haven't put out any massive performance that could put them in the scheme of things.

Performing for Zimbabwe A against UAE, Kenya, Canada, Netherlands aren't enough for selection.

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