#ZCBOARD MUST GO

[zimbos_05]

All allegations and misinformation again. You are a typical example of a complainer. you know the ICC is monitoring funds with a hawkeye now? Do you know how they are distributing money now? Do you have proof of these allegations so that we can submit them to the police and then we can move forward. Mlotshwa clearly has the might of the state behind him but he cant arrest anybody. This for me shows they have 0 evidence from 2015 to Now.

Just remember when this becomes a ZC MEMORIES forum I will be here to remind all the "let it die" brigade you burnt a house down trying to kill a snake. None of you even tried to beat them in an election and guess what I could bet 100USD on paypal that in 3 years time when we are failing to raise money to even have a domestic league or fly to namibia or nigeria for some games you will be the FIRST person complaining about how the ICC let us down and why corporate sponsors are not helping

You guys dont get it. This is a win-win situation for ICC board members. If Mukuhlani wins they will have a loyal dog doing as they please. If we get expelled the broke/nagging pest of a cousin that is ZC will be gone for good.

Not allegations and misinformation. All of my information in my post is directly from the horses mouth. Directly from the mouths of players nationally. Directly from the mouth of Jason Gillespie. Directly from the mouth of Tavengwa Mukhulani. So, it is you sir who needs to find their facts before accusing me of being false in my information.

Mlotshwa is not stupid. Arresting a man is clear government intervention. He does not want to throw the man in jail. He wants to conduct a fair audit and instil a body that will serve in the best interest of the game for all Zimbabweans, and Mukhulani can go back to driving his Range Rover or whatever fancy car he has and go back to what he has said is more important than cricket.

I do not want Zim to be expelled, but what is the difference to where we are at now? I want the ICC to recognise the interim committee and to rid of Mukhulani and his thieves.

[Xlife]

As for cricket I feel like a lot of the let it die anyway brigade get fed this anger from players like Raza BT and co who are already in their mid 30s and enjoyed at least a decade of cricket. They are fine. They have had great careers. What about the Mavutas and Musakandas? What about the youngsterswho have dreamt all their life of representing Zimbabwe? What about the youngsters who have nothing besides cricket like Blesing Muzarabani had before his rise? The hundreds of people who will be jobless and dont have a plan B in a sinking economy?

I'm sick of this bullshit.

We have been fed nothing by no one. We are seeing Mukhulani and his board for what they are and demanding the right change.

What about the players who have been playing for those decades and not received payments? What about the guys who get paid $10 a day under the current board? What about the players who Jason Gillespie had to feed because ZC could not afford bread for their sandwiches? What about the fact that Mukhulani has expressly said that ZC is not responsible for the running of cricket in the country or that he has much better things to do than cricket?

You claim to care for these youngsters but these youngsters do not have a future under a Mukhulani board. You point out Raza and BT, but what about Hammy and Chigs. Stealing a living and taking a youngsters spot whilst playing horrible cricket.

You talk like you care, yet ZC has been poorly run for decades. All the money we get from ICC has been stolen by this board and none of it goes to the youngsters that you so much care for. That is why a lot of them go overseas, because they do not get looked after or cared for.

What life do these youngsters have under this board? They will play the odd game, get whipped because they cannot train or have the equipment to, then three months later they will still be asking for their salary because ZC spent on a new TV for Mukhulanis dogs cousin.

Take this fucking bullshit and shove it. It's interesting too that certain members of this forum have only appeared now.

no more meaningful cricket, the sport as we know it dies, no franchise cricket, no international or TV exposure, no kids wanting to play,no funding, no forum, no interest, no Chevrons, no nothing...

Not like half of those things exist anyway. We don't have reasonable franchise cricket. We don't have international or TV exposure (remember Afghanistan pulled out of a tour because ZC refused to fund a youtube stream), kids already do not want to play (remember ZC also quashed a lot of kids dreams by scrapping Rising Stars because of personal vendettas), all the funding is stolen, interest is already low, Chevrons are a shit show....

The level of stupidity of some people on this site is staggering... You do realise that if Zim is kicked out, that's it for the game here? All those players earning $10 a day will now be earning $0 a day, unemployed, no future in cricket... You're talking about a rebuilding process that could take decades to get us back to the level we are now (a test playing nation) and there's almost zero chance of it even happening with no funding and loss of interest from everyone.

No one is saying the suspended board isn't corrupt, but the cost of being expelled is too high to pay for a game we all love... Reinstate the board, we can find other ways to get them out without killing cricket altogether

[Googly]

First and foremost we can’t fuck this up. We have to remain.
But it seems we’ve already lost out on both sets of qualifiers, the u19’s have stopped training and have already lost ground so we’re jigged on three fronts before we start.
We’re only guessing what’s going on behind the scenes. There must be lots of communication between SRC and ICC and between ZC and ICC and presumably some comms between ZC and SRC.
We don’t know what they’re discussing and what csrds SRC hold, if any! If they do they’re being coy about showing them.

[Googly]

But I maintain that we need to do whatever it takes to clean house. This bullshit of there will always be some acceptable theft and they’re being closely monitored so if anything it’s petty theft I’ve got a big problem with.
Forget the theft allegations and whatever other improprieties they have been leveled at them for one second. The main issue is they can’t run the game. That cannot change. They don’t know how to and the personnel (most) they employ are second rate.

You can afford to be vaguely useless administratively or coaching wise if you have a huge player base. With what we’ve got you need to be on point with both and we’re worse than anybody.

If there’s a tiny high risk window to expunge these blokes from cricket then SRC, I believe, need to try.
But as I said I don’t think any of us know what SRC have got up their sleeve. One thing for sure is we will see in the next few days.

[encore]

So are the alternative is better, to kill cricket in Zimbabwe altogether? That's an absurd and stupid point of view... If Zim is expelled, there is NO getting back test/full member status, not for decades at least

The problem is that there was no diplomacy. They just simply walked away and proudly said " it doesnt make sense for us" which she was 100% right. Guys this is African politics. There is no science to it. There is no text book for it. Things dont work the same. You dont just simply walk away from situations or put your foot down without knowing you will take the fall the reaction that follows.

As for cricket I feel like a lot of the let it die anyway brigade get fed this anger from players like Raza BT and co who are already in their mid 30s and enjoyed at least a decade of cricket. They are fine. They have had great careers. What about the Mavutas and Musakandas? What about the youngsterswho have dreamt all their life of representing Zimbabwe? What about the youngsters who have nothing besides cricket like Blesing Muzarabani had before his rise? The hundreds of people who will be jobless and dont have a plan B in a sinking economy?

This decision probably has a domino effect that afftects thousands of people. Raza is rich, he plays t20s, he will be fine. Mire is an Australian citizen as well, he will be fine. The likes of BT and Jarvis did not see anything wrong getting paid a years salary in advance for them to come back by the same corrupt board.

This issue has clearly become too personal for too many people. Googly I know these guys are horrible but please please lets not kill thousands of dreams banking on guys who have a very personal agenda against these guys. Emotional decisions will place us in the dustbins of history.

The SRC does not have money to run the game even at club level. They are broke as an organization. Our players are used to big money. We will die.

In fact I think somebody's ego is going to see him use his own personal money to fight ZC. Guys Titan Law is busy posting SRC information. Yet they requested ZC to be liquidated not so long ago. The conflict of interest here is so obvious. Nobody has been arrested yet. The SRC didnt even have a disciplinary hearing for ZC like what normaly happens. This is so ridiculous. The ICC are not stupid.

I agree with Taps... There's only 2 binary options on the table, either the board is reinstated and cricket continues even though it's a mess but it's a mess that can be sorted out while cricked is still played and players have a job... Or the ICC bans Zim and that is it, no more meaningful cricket, the sport as we know it dies, no franchise cricket, no international or TV exposure, no kids wanting to play,no funding, no forum, no interest, no Chevrons, no nothing... And there's no coming back from that, regardless of having the best board members in the world in place

If guys had just listened to you guys all along, they would have formed a "flawed and compromised but necessary" defence of ZC (i.e. cricket in Zimbabwe), whilst these misguided Mlotshwa-Coventry attackers came striking. Instead they were part of the destruction.

And yet none of these guys would apply the same logic when faced with the same choice as close as their homes or personally within their own families.

This is suicide. It's not even love, concern or principle.

It's crazy to me that BT and KJ earn(ed) more than Kane Williamson does, and he almost won the CWC. An dhteir fellow top guys swallowed up all the WC money then, and never even gave a cent to fellow domestic players.

In CSA we have a situation where we are saying, Franchise Cricket is unsustainable. Kill it and create a big Provincial system. All players contracted to CSA and salaries or earnings based on merit. The old guard don't want. Because it means earning less, and having to play even more matches throughout the country, where you'll be exposed to some express fast bowling all over, and unorthodox spinners and potentially underperform and be out of contract or lose your place in the team faster than currently. There's a lot of fairness in this, and very easy for the cream to rise to the top because sructures and facilities are already there, but they are resisting. Just like an NBA lockout, cricket can get interrupted in SA. Those who usually claim to be the most principled, are actually the most selfish. The same is happening to our economy.

[encore]

But it seems we’ve already lost out on both sets of qualifiers, the u19’s have stopped training and have already lost ground so we’re jigged on three fronts before we start.

Who(m) do you blame for all of that?

1.Minister, SRC and ZC Interim Board
2.ZC
3.ICC
4.All the above

There can only be one answer, and your answer will determine how ready you are to fix the problem and what chance you stand of being able to fix it if at all.

[Googly]

I blame ICC for being disingenuous over their ruling. Other countries have had as much or more gov interference.
Then I blame ZC. They’re not sitting back and saying- what are these SRC people smoking? We’re the best at this, the game is booming, money in the bank and all is hunky dory. They know they’re low lifes and it it for the money only. They’re thanking their Gods that their maneuvering has gotten ICC to throw them a lifeline. Please don’t forget it was Mukhulani that got ICC to ban ZC.

[Googly]

And a tiny part of me wants to see some of these ZC guys shit themselves. I would like to see some of them as car park attendants, windies, or those guys that fill in potholes on road with cardboard signs begging for money. Their lily livered cowardice got us here as well.

But I want to see us in the game, minus a few of the above. How can u be expected to make a test hundred if you’re prepared to suck someone’s dick for $10?

[zimbos_05]

If guys had just listened to you guys all along, they would have formed a "flawed and compromised but necessary" defence of ZC (i.e. cricket in Zimbabwe), whilst these misguided Mlotshwa-Coventry attackers came striking. Instead they were part of the destruction.

And yet none of these guys would apply the same logic when faced with the same choice as close as their homes or personally within their own families.

This is suicide. It's not even love, concern or principle.

It's crazy to me that BT and KJ earn(ed) more than Kane Williamson does, and he almost won the CWC. An dhteir fellow top guys swallowed up all the WC money then, and never even gave a cent to fellow domestic players.

In CSA we have a situation where we are saying, Franchise Cricket is unsustainable. Kill it and create a big Provincial system. All players contracted to CSA and salaries or earnings based on merit. The old guard don't want. Because it means earning less, and having to play even more matches throughout the country, where you'll be exposed to some express fast bowling all over, and unorthodox spinners and potentially underperform and be out of contract or lose your place in the team faster than currently. There's a lot of fairness in this, and very easy for the cream to rise to the top because sructures and facilities are already there, but they are resisting. Just like an NBA lockout, cricket can get interrupted in SA. Those who usually claim to be the most principled, are actually the most selfish. The same is happening to our economy.

Not really sure what you mean by applying the same to our families. Are you suggesting we would let our families rot if being poorly treated? We've been trying to save the ZC family for so long. Many on this forum have been here through thick and thin. We have demanded reform and begged for change. We have done things to try and do better. You lot only appear when Mukhulanis little ego feels threatened and he needs his cronies to pretend he has supporters. Has he promised you a loaf of bread or something?

Also, Williamson does not earn less than BT or KJ, I can guarantee this 100%. Also, stop only signalling out white players, it's blatantly becoming racist now. Personally, if you play in the WC, you deserve a slightly higher pay. You have done the work, and the rest goes down to the system. It's how it works with all nations.

Finally, you are right, those claiming to be principled (Mukhulani, Bvute, Makoni, etc etc) are the ones who have crippled the economy, and the reality is they are the most selfish.

[kudet]

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Guys anyone seen the @ZimCricketv wage bill? Which Chief Executive of a company that is doing well in the country earns USD 20 000? Why would he/she sponsor cricket that has a wage bill of over quarter Million USD every month. Moti hee its about the players imiiii kaa ityai Mwari