What the next scheduled series for Zimbabwe?

[sam_ahm]

Yup, good posts by Zimco and Kriterion. Lockdown won't eliminate the virus, it is only to slow down the transmission.

I don't know how we managed it, but from 1000K + active cases, we are now down to just 160K, it is still a big number, but let me tell you guys, if a country like us, with 1.3 billion people can get this to come down, then anyone can.

Overall to eliminate this virus from earth is a long shot, we may never be able to achieve it either, I don't know, but it can be controlled.

[Googly]

Damn @Googly, it's like you don't understand how science works. The one strategy you do well is make so many posts one after the other, but there's so much being said, yet not said, it's hard to discuss all of the points/non points you make.

The reason you have a 14 day quarantine is because, as has been proven in a lot of cases, symptoms do not show up straight away nor does the virus. You may not have it on arrival, but you may develop COVID a day or two after arrival. The 14 day quarantine ensures you are not in the community whilst asymptomatic and possibly transferring the disease.

Your mate who went to Addis tested positive, travelled, then came back and was negative. That is how this shit works. It is not a case of once you are positive, you are positive for life. What your friend did though was travel whilst infectious and who knows who he transferred it on to and how they are coping.

A shut down is not done because it may kill 0.5% A shut down is done so that it does not kill much much more than 0.5%. As the great old shit show that is America has shown, staying open and continuing as normal does not work. All of the anti-maskers and 'virus hoaxes' have allowed numbers to sky rocket. Many of those people contracted the virus and died from it too. Lets not forget Sweden, which tried your herd mentality, and has now over half a million cases and 11k deaths.

Let's also not forget that your idea that this is all a hoax and part of a conspiracy would mean that more than 200 nations made up of liberals, socialists, communists, dictators etc etc, who all by the way hate each other over the simplest of shit, would all have to be in on this "coordinated convoluted hoax".

You said it, Aus and NZ have done well. We are operating as normal. We go about our daily lives without masks, going to work, travelling, using gyms, eating out. Yes we still follow social distancing where possible and practice healthy hygiene, although to be fair, those two are not really pandemic specific rules. Those are just general hygiene practices taught to you as a child. So if the rest of the world stopped carrying on like babies and trying to prove hoaxes and crying "sheeple", then maybe you could get back to the normal life you cry about quicker.

Firstly I enjoy posting my opinions, if there's no cricket why not discuss extraordinary events? We've learnt a lot about each other, for example you're plain rude. My bursts of posts are hardly a strategy, just whiling away the time, but you do have a point, I'm aimlessly talking to people I don't know and clearly have little in common with outside of cricket and I'm going to endeavour to make this my last, its a big time waster. You chaps can rely on one opinion from someone who actually lives here, good luck with that.

If you go into a 10-14 day quarantine and don't have to test before your release because you've had no symptoms and you're asymptomatic you're still bringing in covid and possibly a new strain at that.
This is an interesting read

https://www.advisory.com/en/daily-brief ... ymptomatic

I'd deduce the 14 day quarantine is no guarantee.

I think my mate had a false positive actually. He came back and went about his normal life and absolutely nobody within his family or circle of friends have contracted the disease within the last three weeks.

Not once have I said this is a hoax, what a load of crap. The disease is out there and its claiming lives. I merely believe the consequences of a long term shutdown far outweigh the reasons for it. Visit a Third World country to understand that a lockdown is completely impossible and even the attempts at enforcing it are devastating. They also probably have less accurate stats, but compare them to First World because that's all there is and lo and behold there's nothing in it.

Here are Sweden's latest stats

https://www.statista.com/statistics/110 ... ge-groups/

Half of their deaths are people aged between 80 and 90 years old. That leaves 5000 deaths from 10 million people. Is that worth a comment?

If you think America's pandemic is driven by anti-maskers and viral hoaxers perhaps its you that doesn't understand how it works?

Good luck out there.

[Zimco]

Don't leave the forum Googly mate. We get the situation is somewhat different in Africa, but they still have to protect their limited hospitals from an overflow of cases. Zimco x

[zimbos_05]

Firstly I enjoy posting my opinions, if there's no cricket why not discuss extraordinary events? We've learnt a lot about each other, for example you're plain rude. My bursts of posts are hardly a strategy, just whiling away the time, but you do have a point, I'm aimlessly talking to people I don't know and clearly have little in common with outside of cricket and I'm going to endeavour to make this my last, its a big time waster. You chaps can rely on one opinion from someone who actually lives here, good luck with that.

If you go into a 10-14 day quarantine and don't have to test before your release because you've had no symptoms and you're asymptomatic you're still bringing in covid and possibly a new strain at that.
This is an interesting read

https://www.advisory.com/en/daily-brief ... ymptomatic

I'd deduce the 14 day quarantine is no guarantee.

I think my mate had a false positive actually. He came back and went about his normal life and absolutely nobody within his family or circle of friends have contracted the disease within the last three weeks.

Not once have I said this is a hoax, what a load of crap. The disease is out there and its claiming lives. I merely believe the consequences of a long term shutdown far outweigh the reasons for it. Visit a Third World country to understand that a lockdown is completely impossible and even the attempts at enforcing it are devastating. They also probably have less accurate stats, but compare them to First World because that's all there is and lo and behold there's nothing in it.

Here are Sweden's latest stats

https://www.statista.com/statistics/110 ... ge-groups/

Half of their deaths are people aged between 80 and 90 years old. That leaves 5000 deaths from 10 million people. Is that worth a comment?

If you think America's pandemic is driven by anti-maskers and viral hoaxers perhaps its you that doesn't understand how it works?

Good luck out there.

So because I respond to you, I am rude. Interesting that you jump to make that assumption, without knowing anything about me other than we share a love for the Chevrons, and then go on to shut everything down without willing to engage in the conversation because I have a differing opinion.

If you want to have a discussion, which I do enjoy having (especially as there is no cricket), then by all means. Just don't start to get offended when someone has a different view to you, and also be prepared to have your claims refuted.

Firstly, I never assumed anything about the situation in Zim. I have not made claims about Zim, nor have I said that I know for certain about what is happening in Zim. My responses and my views were to very general comments you made, and in fact were more critical of the systems in places such as America or the UK.

Again, the 10-14 day quarantine is dependent on the country. In Australia, you have to test before you get released and you get tested every 3 days whilst in quarantine. So the rules around it are dependent on the place. So if there is a country that does not test before releasing, then that is a country specific issue, not an issue of the disease not being as deadly as made out to be.

I apologise if you did not call it a hoax. You used terms like sheeple and conspiracy, which is very much in line with those who have called this a hoax. I should not have assumed you took the line, but I do take umbrage to the idea that a long-term lockdown is more detrimental because evidence so strongly has proven otherwise. Countries like Taiwan, FInland, Vietnam, New Zealand, and Australia have all proven that lockdowns done properly can be short term and allow countries and economies to respond and get back on their feet much much quicker than we are made to believe. The argument that lock downs do not work is factually proven wrong through evidence.

I understand the situations behind third world countries, which is why you will notice that I have not mentioned any third world country specifically. I mentioned the UK and America, and Sweden. None of which are first world countries. In saying that, I know of family who travelled to Mozambique for a wedding. Came back to Zim, all have COVID. I know of people who travelled to Durban when they were advised not to over the Xmas break, came back to Joburg and have COVID. So whilst I agree that lockdowns in third world countries are much harder to institute, I do feel like the people of these countries are not helping themselves nor the situation.

As for Sweden. It's definitely worth a comment because 5000 deaths is still way too many deaths for such a small country. New Zealand has a population of just under 5 million, yet only has 25 deaths. Taiwan has a population of just under 23M and only 7 deaths. Vietnams has a population of 96M and only 35 deaths. So if these countries, admittedly one has a small population, but the other two have dense populations (also one, possibly two are third world), and they have a death toll so low, Sweden could have a much lower death toll had they instituted a lock down.

What exactly is the rise in Americas cases driven by? I'm not saying it is only driven by anti-maskers and viral-hoaxers, but it has definitely been a contributor. I do know that it has been driven by other factors such as an incompetent president, a failed roll out of a pandemic response, a removal of the pandemic team, a failure to restrict travel in to the country, and a shit fight between the Dems and Republicans.

[ZIMDOGGY]

Whilst I don’t think Trump handled the pandemic as well as he could, he’s getting an unfair amount of blame.
I distinctly remember the attacks on him as ‘racist’ when he was shutting down flights from China from Dem types. That was a good move in the end.
Also the dem controlled states got hit the worst. LA majority have had it for example. States in America are kind of run like countries.

The big underlying issue in America is the ‘freedom before safety’ mentality.that is definitely running through the country. I’ve often read comments like ‘if you swap liberty for safety you’ll have none’ and things like that. I know one guy from Indiana who truly does think it’s a hoax for some freedom related reasons. America is allergic to government intervention. I think Trump knows this and it shaped the way he went about things.

[ZIMDOGGY]

And Googly don’t leave. You and Zim5 both brought up good points

[zimfan1]

Afghanistan Cricket have just tweeted that the two tests and 3 T20s will take place in March.

[sam_ahm]

Don't leave Googly, we all have different opinions and there are bound to be some differences. That's OK I guess.

[sam_ahm]

Afghanistan Cricket have just tweeted that the two tests and 3 T20s will take place in March.

Yup! I saw that on twitter, so the series is in March and considering Ireland and Pakistan in coming tours, Zimbabwe could, for a change, have a busy schedule. India will definately tour this year too, it is advertised on Sony as one of India's series which they will broadcast this year.

[jaybro]

Finally some cricket to talk about

Or nah ?