Where to from here?

[zimbos_05]

“Chatara doesn’t have credits in the bank”

He has 195 international wickets ffs

And if you ain’t giving him credit because he hasn’t played the big teams as often, I guess BT, Williams, Ervine, Jarvis, Cremer & Raza don’t get the credits either cause they haven’t played England either?

Bore off, next

Shakib Al-Hassan and Sanath Jayasuriya have more wickets in ODI than Shane Warne. Would you pick them as your spinner over Warne?

Yes, but that credit wore off early. Why is it so hard to accept that Chatara was our most expensive bowler all tournament and has been quite liable for some time even before this series. I'm pretty sure I even mentioned that I would not pick him as a starter well before the qualifiers.

Why am I not allowed to have my view and also my view have credibility? I've acknowledged a lot of the points you have brought up and accept that you make some decent points, but when I bring up points -even ones backed with facts and figures- you just seem to ignore it and tell me that I am wrong.

When did I say England was the only big side? I should rephrase, not that they didn't play against big teams, but rather that when they did come up against big sides, those players would stand up more regularly than most.

The biggest problem with all of us (ZC, Players, Fans) is that we dwell too much on what has happened instead of quickly looking to the future.

I gave my ideas in point form, but apparently calling for certain players to be dropped and a development plan put in place to develop better players, is not allowed.

[jaybro]

Don’t play the victim, that’s not what you said

“Chatara cost us dearly”

They were your exact words

[franco vazquez]

People are dwelling too much on this match and putting it as the main reason for not qualifying which is true but not even the main reason as there are a lot of other variables. The players couldn’t play quality spin of SL and pace of Sole. The another huge reason is shit show against Oman. Zimbabwe should have easily won that match by at least 100 runs like Netherlands and Scotland won by a huge margin and yet they had terrible end to a match where the team had 3 over 40 players and their main player was injured

[TapsC2]

“Chatara doesn’t have credits in the bank”

He has 195 international wickets ffs

And if you ain’t giving him credit because he hasn’t played the big teams as often, I guess BT, Williams, Ervine, Jarvis, Cremer & Raza don’t get the credits either cause they haven’t played England either?

Bore off, next

Shakib Al-Hassan and Sanath Jayasuriya have more wickets in ODI than Shane Warne. Would you pick them as your spinner over Warne?

Yes, but that credit wore off early. Why is it so hard to accept that Chatara was our most expensive bowler all tournament and has been quite liable for some time even before this series. I'm pretty sure I even mentioned that I would not pick him as a starter well before the qualifiers.

Why am I not allowed to have my view and also my view have credibility? I've acknowledged a lot of the points you have brought up and accept that you make some decent points, but when I bring up points -even ones backed with facts and figures- you just seem to ignore it and tell me that I am wrong.

When did I say England was the only big side? I should rephrase, not that they didn't play against big teams, but rather that when they did come up against big sides, those players would stand up more regularly than most.

The biggest problem with all of us (ZC, Players, Fans) is that we dwell too much on what has happened instead of quickly looking to the future.

I gave my ideas in point form, but apparently calling for certain players to be dropped and a development plan put in place to develop better players, is not allowed.

Richard Ngarava picked up 14 wickets at an average of 19.28 and economy of 4.73

Tendai Chatara picked up 9 wickets at an average of 31.22 and economy of 7.66

Blessing Muzarabani picked up 6 wickets at an average of 46.66 and economy of 5.28


Now based on this knowing that Chatara is our third best bowler and Blessing is our front line bowler who had the worst tournament out of our fast bowlers? Larry has his problems but picking on him is unfair.

[TapsC2]

Those stats showing me that Larry was leaking runs but picking up wickets whilst our best bowler was largely toothless throughout the tournament. Its a team sport. So picking on 1 individual isn't fair. They failed as a collective. Let's move on

[TapsC2]

Ok the topic of moving on I think Chivanga needs to be given a bigger role here and Mr Kirby needs to put in some work with him. We saw what raw pace can do. Let's use it.

[TapsC2]

I think they can also get Dion Myers to play that number 3 role with the bat and some part time medium pace. If he commits of course. I think he is key. We will see what happens next year. We got too many part time spinners. We need some medium pacers as well.

[jontym87]

Ya'll dont want to address the elephant in the room. I know i am going to have a lot of stick for saying this, but those who know me i always speak my mind.

After all said and done, the 7 wins on the trot blinded you. So many things you guys overlooked. Those who follow me on twitter know that i have raised these issues time and again (whether zim won or lost).

Zimbabwe didnt have a captain. Ervine lacks tactical awareness and doesn't really read the game well and not streetwise (can share the blame with the analyst). His questionable decision making was laid bare in the Scotland game. I can point out a few instances:

1. Williams was bowling well and was taken off after 7 overs. Clearly Scotland were struggling with spin at that point in the match. The decision to take him off and bring him back 3/4 overs later released all the pressure.

2. We all know Chatara isn't or hasn't been our best fielder why would you keep on placing him in key fielding positions?

3. He had the specialist spinner in Wellington who only bowled 5 overs for 18 runs. After Raza completed his spell why did you not bring him? Like i said earlier they were struggling with spin. Some of you say you cant bowl a spinner at the death thats backward thinking. We leaked 55runs in the last 5 overs and those runs hurt us. We all know our seamers have always been poor at the death in the warm up against Oman they went for 13 and over at the death.

4. Wellington kept being picked as specialist spinner but was a passenger in the side as he never got to bowl much. Why waste a space and not pick a specialist batter and during the game if we need spin he could turn to Wessley/Raza/Burl/Williams thats at least 25 overs out of those 4 plus your 3 seamers.

Anyways to answer you question "Where to from here?" My answer is 23 August takanovhota

[jontym87]

Ok the topic of moving on I think Chivanga needs to be given a bigger role here and Mr Kirby needs to put in some work with him. We saw what raw pace can do. Let's use it.

RAW PACE and you speak of Chivanga? Zimbabwe doesn't have anyone who bowls 135kph consistently. They all touch 135 once in a while they are all medium seamers 128-132kph type of bowlers.

ZIMBABWE DOES NOT HAVE GENUINE FAST BOWLERS

[jaybro]

Ya'll dont want to address the elephant in the room. I know i am going to have a lot of stick for saying this, but those who know me i always speak my mind.

After all said and done, the 7 wins on the trot blinded you. So many things you guys overlooked. Those who follow me on twitter know that i have raised these issues time and again (whether zim won or lost).

Zimbabwe didnt have a captain. Ervine lacks tactical awareness and doesn't really read the game well and not streetwise (can share the blame with the analyst). His questionable decision making was laid bare in the Scotland game. I can point out a few instances:

1. Williams was bowling well and was taken off after 7 overs. Clearly Scotland were struggling with spin at that point in the match. The decision to take him off and bring him back 3/4 overs later released all the pressure.

2. We all know Chatara isn't or hasn't been our best fielder why would you keep on placing him in key fielding positions?

3. He had the specialist spinner in Wellington who only bowled 5 overs for 18 runs. After Raza completed his spell why did you not bring him? Like i said earlier they were struggling with spin. Some of you say you cant bowl a spinner at the death thats backward thinking. We leaked 55runs in the last 5 overs and those runs hurt us. We all know our seamers have always been poor at the death in the warm up against Oman they went for 13 and over at the death.

4. Wellington kept being picked as specialist spinner but was a passenger in the side as he never got to bowl much. Why waste a space and not pick a specialist batter and during the game if we need spin he could turn to Wessley/Raza/Burl/Williams thats at least 25 overs out of those 4 plus your 3 seamers.

Anyways to answer you question "Where to from here?" My answer is 23 August takanovhota

There’s literally no one on this forum who thinks Ervine is a good tactical captain, so you can take your elephant to another room mate.