2023 ODI World Cup Discussion

[Googly]

ICC should factor in who has a surplus of cash at year end and not just who brings in what. Another factor to be considered is corporate sponsorship. The big teams bring in millions. We of course have practically zero, partly due to a grossly mismanaged economy, a complete lack of interest in cricket from our captains of industry and an understandable reluctance to throw cash at an organisation that has a distinguished history in making money disappear into thin air.

Everyone understands that India bring in the big cash, but they have the American mentality of being happy with a World Series played internally.
Cricket is poorer without West Indies and Zimbabwe in the mix, plus there's now Afghanistan, Ireland, Scotland, evidently Namibia, and a couple of others that would make great strides with additional funding. Plus the other African countries- Rwanda, Kenya, Uganda etc. The Third World guys have a magnificent tendency to liberate substantial funds so they don't help themselves.
Namibia's gun opener has had to apply for leave from his work to play in these qualifiers!

All these teams and their supporters look on at the Big Teams in frustration and support the underdog almost every time. Every small team has a couple of really good players that barely make a living and they watch the multi millionaire superstars that in many instances are either not thst much better or are better because of more opportunities.

Indian fans would be delighted if their team scored 1000 runs an innings and rolled the opposition for under 10, they have zero interest in a good game. They just want to hear Ravi Shastri say- India is just too strong and too powerful.
We are enjoying the comparative silence.

[sam_ahm]

Ya Googly. Some of the incidents from WC.

1. Pakistani fan stopped from shouting slogans for his country
2. Bangladesh team mascot, the tiger, was torn apart and thrown in front of Bangladeshi supporters.
3. Bangladesh fan mocked with 'Kohli, Kohli' chants after the match to which he gracefully replied "very well played". Is this the way to treat our guests?
4. Kettlebourough booed when receiving his award, for giving an umpires call in favor of Australia... This was after Smith was wrongly given out.
5. Literally no foreign spectators/tourists thanks to a very poorly organized WC
6. Last minute change Or SF and Final pitches to used surfaces amidst disappointment expressed by ICC officials.

... No surprises that India is not liked as a cricketing nation now by anyone barring a few.

[tej_27]

Namibia's gun opener has had to apply for leave from his work to play in these qualifiers!

Who is the gun opener ? Van lingen or Nico Davin ? How good is Shaun fouche . Even JP Kotze is back now

[secretzimbo]

Ya Googly. Some of the incidents from WC.

1. Pakistani fan stopped from shouting slogans for his country
2. Bangladesh team mascot, the tiger, was torn apart and thrown in front of Bangladeshi supporters.
3. Bangladesh fan mocked with 'Kohli, Kohli' chants after the match to which he gracefully replied "very well played". Is this the way to treat our guests?
4. Kettlebourough booed when receiving his award, for giving an umpires call in favor of Australia... This was after Smith was wrongly given out.
5. Literally no foreign spectators/tourists thanks to a very poorly organized WC
6. Last minute change Or SF and Final pitches to used surfaces amidst disappointment expressed by ICC officials.

... No surprises that India is not liked as a cricketing nation now by anyone barring a few.

Also just the absolute wall of silence every time Australia did anything good. That Head innings was sublime, some unreal shots - all met with total silence. When he got his century, silence. When he was walking off, silence.

In almost every other country he would have been getting a lot of applause, respect, most probably a standing ovarian. He would have done here, he would have done in England, probably in every country.

Complete lack of respect and knowledge shown by the supporters in the stadium which is surprising as Indian fans always used to be regarded as extremely knowledgable. I’m not sure what’s happened?


Also the Indian commentators!!! Fuck me. They made the final hour of that match sound like a funeral. So biased.


And the absolutely horrific social media abuse Aussie players and even their wives and kids have been getting on social media the last couple of days.

[Googly]

Spot on.

[Googly]

Namibia's gun opener has had to apply for leave from his work to play in these qualifiers!

Who is the gun opener ? Van lingen or Nico Davin ? How good is Shaun fouche . Even JP Kotze is back now

Both are good, but Van Lingen really gets after it.
Don't know Fouche.
Ya they've got a good side.

[andrea lanzoni]

I imagine the BCCI will now proclaim ODI cricket obsolete and declare all resources should go to the IPL where an Indian team is guaranteed victory.

We may like it or not but the status quo is that ODI is truly obsolete and T20 leagues keep widenining their market share. Just recently a new entry T20 league will be nothing less than the Olympic Games.

It's likely that in the near future all ODIs would disappear in favour of T20.

On the other hand I badly hope that Test can safeguard itself in a niche, provided it concentratates ALL world test matches in a couple of periods along the year. Test cricket is ulnikely able to sustain the "series tradition" has it has occurred so far.
Sad to say: Test series can't compete at all with T20 leagues.

A broadened WTC where all fixture are concentrated in two periods of time along the year, say two-three moths, could attract best players and consequently not suffering competition from T20 leagues.
It might be held in February between the end of Big Bash and start of IPL and in June-July.
Ashes would be something apart. Ashes anyway have their steady audience.

[Kriterion_BD]

Few young Bangladeshi guys break down the WC Final and India/BCCI's reaction:

https://youtu.be/I50wdIBj5HI?si=UMUtC-48vza2HgOc

[eugene]

I imagine the BCCI will now proclaim ODI cricket obsolete and declare all resources should go to the IPL where an Indian team is guaranteed victory.

We may like it or not but the status quo is that ODI is truly obsolete and T20 leagues keep widenining their market share. Just recently a new entry T20 league will be nothing less than the Olympic Games.

It's likely that in the near future all ODIs would disappear in favour of T20.

On the other hand I badly hope that Test can safeguard itself in a niche, provided it concentratates ALL world test matches in a couple of periods along the year. Test cricket is ulnikely able to sustain the "series tradition" has it has occurred so far.
Sad to say: Test series can't compete at all with T20 leagues.

A broadened WTC where all fixture are concentrated in two periods of time along the year, say two-three moths, could attract best players and consequently not suffering competition from T20 leagues.
It might be held in February between the end of Big Bash and start of IPL and in June-July.
Ashes would be something apart. Ashes anyway have their steady audience.

All of these T20 leagues won't retain their popularity, the tide will turn at some point.

[zimbos_05]

At some point, some of the T20 leagues will become unsustainable. No way players can play all year round. Eventually, fitness will become an issue, as well as being away from family all the time.

ICC have just been so dormant to all of these issues. So far behind all the other sports at the moment. Where others are looking to grow, they are looking to stagnate and only please India.

I watched a few games of the WC and it just felt dead. There was no atmosphere. People go on about India being cricket mad, but it's only if India are playing and winning.

When you got to England, New Zealand, Australia, South Africa...it does not matter what is happening, there is always a vibe in the crowd.