Race Storm Hits Zim Cricket

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Thanks once again for posting this Bayhaus. I've always known there's no way Makoni could've been responsible for the Vusi saga. That idiot Campbell. He's the devil that tried to dampen Vusi's star. He couldn't stomach all those raving reviews of his performances! They must speedily eliminate him from Zimbabwe Cricket!

So Jarvis is not only a poor bowler, he abuses Black umpires and when he gets suspended, runs to the minister and the mafia! :twisted: We heard reports about his suspension, but his swift return was suspiciously premature.

Meth over Utseya! Come on senator! I'm sure Vusi and Utseya would confirm either incident. That must be the final nail on the head as far as exposing Coltart and Campbell. I'm seriously upset at these two fools! Imagine how much Taibu would have to say to implicate Coltart & Campbell further.

Anyway Bayhaus, I hope FlowerPower can grasp the import of this. Even before you posted this I'd already expounded Makoni's genuine cries. The racial agenda behind Coltart's motives. There was never any genuine intention to fix anything. Just a sinister objective to remove blacks from the sport via underhanded tactics. Soccer and Cricket are the biggest in Zimbabwe. Soccer has a coach without a selection committee - just like everywhere else in the world - so unless you're Roy Garden, it's obvious cricket is and always has been the target. Now all that's left is for you to tip off Firdose Moonda for an expose! We have interesting developments this side of the border as well that I'm monitoring. Only fewer Makonis & Mangongos!

The clincher:
Minister Coltart is correct in stating that his directives do not prevent Stephen Mangongo from being appointed national coach, but indirectly they disqualify him because a national coach automatically becomes a national selector. The cricket coach is involved in the selection of teams and minister Coltart knows that. For example, the current 24-man training squad for the West Indies tour was picked by coach Alan Butcher, Zimbabwe High Performance coach and national selector Wayne James and myself.
I missed this fault in Coltart's reasoning. A lawyer who fails to understand the workings of the very sport he claims to be trying to improve. Yet he has the guts to say Makoni's outspokenness proves his unsuitability for the office he holds! Who is out of his depth? :lol:

Be careful Senator, just like Bvute proved himself to the global cricket community, Makoni is a smart man:
My frustration actually stems from minister Coltart’s subtle attempts to reverse the transformation agenda in cricket which he initially resisted as an ordinary legislator. Now that he is the minister in charge of sport, he is using his position to actually regularise that resistance. I have known minister Coltart in cricketing circles well before I became a national selector and his contribution to the game has been nothing more than divisive.

While the directives appear prudent and in the national interest at face value, their racial poison appears upon close scrutiny as they seemingly target only formerly white-dominated sports. I don’t know much about bowling as a sport, but cricket is the only discipline I know a transformation war was waged for the involvement of the current majority black players’ participation.

They are just longstanding demands of people opposed to the transformation of cricket from being a preserve of a few families to a truly national sport, disguised as a Sports and Recreation Commission directive. Is it not ironic that the name of Ethan Dube, who came to the minds of the rebel players in 2004 as a preferred national selector also comes to the minister’s mind in the same capacity nine years later? Or could it be that it’s the same mind? Minister Coltart should not try and fool us with his national interest mantra when in fact he is hell bent on removing all those responsible for the survival of cricket in Zimbabwe during a period he and rebel players and their backers sought to collapse the sport simply because more blacks were becoming involved.
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Battle for cricket continues
...
The minister is not being entirely honest when he claims his criticism regarding selections during the tour to New Zealand was mainly focused on the non-selection of Vusimuzi Sibanda. I personally fought a directive from the Cricket Committee chairman Alistair Campbell barring Vusimuzi Sibanda from selection and the minister did not intervene.

He only got involved when I dropped Keegan Meth for Prosper Utseya during the same tour in conditions that suited spin. Furthermore, the minister recently personally gave a directive to Zimbabwe Cricket to reinstate Carl Jarvis in the domestic league after he had been suspended by the disciplinary committee for abusing black umpires.
As sad as this whole business is, it brings to light some interesting facts (if they are indeed facts ...)

So AC effectively penalized Vusi for not commiting to Dominus' Stanbic venture ...

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bayhaus wrote:Lets settle this race issue over a season once and for all. All international matches will be suspended for a year as this is an issue of great national importance to settle this issue once and for all.
:lol: I don't think that's necessary! Somehow a limping Taylor would still make it. Unlike Vusi, an ineligible Jarvis - who happens to be an average seamer - would still make it; while Meth would still bump out either Shingi/Utseya depending on what they see fit!

No way Coltart can have an answer to this because all of Campbell, Butcher, Heath, Grant, James, Amato Machikicho, Utseya, Vusi, Meth, Jarvis, Taylor and Dube would have to issue concurring statements. I know Vusi, who wasted time and money to travel back and be left behind, would jump at the opportunity to expose AC the culprit!

Methinks Makoni is armed with facts, that Coltart, AC and co. thought he would keep private...what happens in the dressing room, stays int he dressing room type of thing...something you suggest Bvute might be in on, but they didn't suspect Makoni would stop towing the line. He clearly backs himself on all this.

I can already already picture Taylor "I was injured and Amato reported as such, which is why I had a poor time during that tour. Campbell said I should go, so who was I to disagree!". And Jarvis - "I didn't ask the minister or anyone to have me reinstated to the team. In fact I wasn't expecting to play another game and was preparing myself to go to NZ to play for the Stags, but Grant ringed me to say I should be ready, and to my surprise, Steve Mangongo called me later to say I would be playing in the next game. I happily went along, I'm always up for a game.".

Nicholas Singo former umpire and current ZC national development manager, "Yes I can confirm that some of my former umpiring colleagues got in touch with me to find out about why they were overruled regarding their suspension of Jarvis. Since I work closely with ZC, they probably thought that I knew much about the source of all this, but as you know I'm preoccupied with the junior sides so unfortunately I'm not not privy to those details and I wasn't able to provide them with anything. But I can confirm that they mentioned it to me."

:lol: In the I think a commission headed by retired judges Ahmed Ebrahim or Wilson Sandura may be necessary to diffuse this...

Thanks for giving us more, Makoni. Please indulge us further. Where is FlashG?
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Makoni’s statement
I have noted the Minister of Education, Sport, Arts
and Culture David Coltart’s response to my
criticism
of his directives regarding the appointment of
national team selectors through the Sports and
Recreation Commission.
While the minister attempts to camouflage the
directives with the “national interest” punch line,
his statement patently failed to mask that they
were
crafted for particular sporting disciplines only. That
Minister Coltart mentioned a serious dispute
regarding the selection of the Zimbabwe team to
participate in a World Bowls event in Australia, as
well as selection controversies in some major sports
like football and cricket is not coincidental.
As far as I know, football has no selection panel as
that burden is the prerogative of the coach.
That then leaves just bowls and cricket from the
examples the minister gave. He probably
mentioned football and cricket as the two biggest
sporting disciplines in the country, but it then begs
the question why bowls? What was this selection
controversy in bowls about and who are these
protagonists that felt the selectors were unqualified
and alleged interference in the process? Why is the
minister not giving us the whole story?
The minister claims my frustration comes from the
insecurity of losing my post as national convener of
selectors. No minister I can leave that post today. I
have contributed to the transformation and spread
of cricket to previously disadvantaged communities
in a manner the minister cannot dispute.
My frustration actually stems from minister Coltart’s
subtle attempts to reverse the transformation
agenda in cricket which he initially resisted as an
ordinary legislator. Now that he is the minister in
charge of sport, he is using his position to actually
regularise that resistance. I have known minister
Coltart in cricketing circles well before I became a
national selector and his contribution to the game
has been nothing more than divisive.
While the directives appear prudent and in the
national interest at face value, their racial poison
appears upon close scrutiny as they seemingly
target only formerly white-dominated sports. I
don’t know much about bowling as a sport, but
cricket is the only discipline I know a
transformation war was waged for the involvement
of the current majority black players’ participation.
Minister Coltart is correct in stating that his
directives
do not prevent Stephen Mangongo from being
appointed national coach, but indirectly they
disqualify him because a national coach
automatically becomes a national selector. The
cricket coach is involved in the selection of teams
and minister Coltart knows that. For example, the
current 24-man training squad for the West Indies
tour was picked by coach Alan Butcher, Zimbabwe
High Performance coach and national selector
Wayne James and myself.
In fact, the reason I term the minister’s directives
racist is because they are not new at all. They were
first presented to the then Zimbabwe Cricket Union
by former national cricket captain Heath Streak
and
his all-white 14 rebel players and consolidated in a
2 714-word public statement they released on April
12, 2004. Among the rebel players’ set of demands
was a change in the make-up and policy of national
selectors.
The rebel players comprising Heath Streak, Stuart
Carlisle, Grant Flower, Craig Wishart, Andy Blignaut,
Raymond Price, Gary Brent, Sean Irvine, Travis
Friend, Barney Rogers, Trevor Gripper, Richard
Simms, Neil Ferreria, Charles Coventry and Gavin
Ewing demanded that a selector should possess a
Level 3 Coaching Certificate with 5-6 years’
experience as a First Class Coach, to have played
5-6 years of First Class Cricket or to have
represented the national team. All these demands
were aimed at removing the then national
convener of selectors Stephen Mangongo and
Macsood Ebrahim, who did not meet this criterion.
The rebel players felt selectors who lacked these
qualifications used unofficial quotas to bring more
black players into the team. So there is nothing in
the national interest in Minister Coltart’s directives.
They are just longstanding demands of people
opposed to the transformation of cricket from
being a preserve of a few families to a truly national
sport, disguised as a Sports and Recreation
Commission directive. Is it not ironic that the name
of Ethan Dube, who came to the minds of the rebel
players in 2004 as a preferred national selector also
comes to the minister’s mind in the same capacity
nine years later? Or could it be that it’s the same
mind?
Minister Coltart should not try and fool us with his
national interest mantra when in fact he is hell bent
on removing all those responsible for the survival
of cricket in Zimbabwe during a period he and
rebel
players and their backers sought to collapse the
sport simply because more blacks were becoming
involved.
Was the minister not the mastermind of the
infamous donning of black armbands by Andy
Flower and Henry Olonga to mourn the “death of
democracy” during a World Cup match in 2003?
Did
he not lead a delegation to Cape Town to meet the
England cricket team during the same World Cup
to advise it not to fulfill its World Cup fixture in
Zimbabwe arguing that it was not both cricketing
and politically correct for England to do so? Talk of
“national interest”.
The minister is not being entirely honest when he
claims his criticism regarding selections during the
tour to New Zealand was mainly focused on the
non-selection of Vusimuzi Sibanda. I personally
fought a directive from the Cricket Committee
chairman Alistair Campbell barring Vusimuzi
Sibanda from selection and the minister did not
intervene.
He only got involved when I dropped Keegan Meth
for Prosper Utseya during the same tour in
conditions that suited spin. Furthermore, the
minister recently personally gave a directive to
Zimbabwe Cricket to reinstate Carl Jarvis in the
domestic league after he had been suspended by
the disciplinary committee for abusing black
umpires. Is this also in the national interest?
So I am not convinced that minister Coltart has
Zimbabwe national teams’ interests at heart in his
latest directives, but seeks to secure the entry of as
well as the continued involvement of his friends,
some of whom are his sports advisers, in
determining the composition and direction of
Zimbabwean sport.

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I find it difficult to put into words how much I hate everything in this thread. I dream of the day when these sort of discussions no longer exist. Any chance of talking cricket anyone?

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Oh my God!
I never knew.
You mean there are like, racial tensions and this black white thing?
I should have know.
Damn!

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aydee wrote:I find it difficult to put into words how much I hate everything in this thread. I dream of the day when these sort of discussions no longer exist. Any chance of talking cricket anyone?
gargarmel's thread is entitled Race Storm Hits Zim Cricket, which is precisely what's happening, or is it actually a Tsunami. Naturally some people, like the owner, and myself, are interested in this 'development'. It's sensitive yes, but highly upsetting, particularly when you consider the revelations from both sides.

Anyway, I think there are about 40 different threads, with recent comments specifically about cricket. You're welcome to direct your attention to those and completely spare yourself the contents of this one, or the need to post anything at all.

As for your wishes that these sort of discussions never exist, forget it, that will never happen! Not unless the owners have got total control of their constituency, and they receive respect without question.
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makoni is just doing what i would do if my cushy job was on the line,
weaseling my way and squirming to try and not get fired
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aydee wrote:I find it difficult to put into words how much I hate everything in this thread. I dream of the day when these sort of discussions no longer exist. Any chance of talking cricket anyone?
My question exactly aydee

hhm you seem to think mine is a defence/counter which it isn't I lament all those that play games with our game (pardon the pun) black or white.

On the "facts" on the ground, this is an interesting unravelling, at entirely the wrong time, totally inopportune, which is exactly what I lament, if any of these people were interested in cricket why wait until we are on the verge of a tour? If Givemore had all this amo why wait until now, why not say last year, or is this a case of insurance for a rainy day which is now when he is on the verge of being ousted or is he genuinely a knight in shining armour taking on a terrible system ( :roll: which he's been in all along?? :( ), but that's hhm's fight....
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Discussions on Cricket Zimbabwe page on Facebook have been...lively...to say the least. Makoni's receiving a proper roasting. Coltart has responded to some posts in person. Someone's suggesting Jarvis should sue for libel, as the insinuation is that he racially abused the umpire, which is apparently untrue.

What a sick, sad farce.
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