Match Thread - Zimbawe v Bangladesh 1st Test
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TheBradDevil
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Re: Match Thread - Zimbawe v Bangladesh 1st Test
Also good to see Taylor pushing his average up to 36, Jarvis pushing his down to 27
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I can't see a case to change any of the bowlers.
Richmond deserves a second go, his keeping was fine and I think it was good for Taylor not to have to worry about the gloves.
Chigs managed a wicket to go with his start in the second ionnings, leaving him at 6 seems risky and if Ervine was around then I'd have him out, but he should stay. Waller did enough to remain. Just think Williams is a much better player than Maruma and that is the one change we need to make.
Richmond deserves a second go, his keeping was fine and I think it was good for Taylor not to have to worry about the gloves.
Chigs managed a wicket to go with his start in the second ionnings, leaving him at 6 seems risky and if Ervine was around then I'd have him out, but he should stay. Waller did enough to remain. Just think Williams is a much better player than Maruma and that is the one change we need to make.
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FlowerPower
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Not too sure Im ready to do that...but question how much effect does a coach have? What is down to captaincy and quality of opposition? Are you implying Taylor (whose batting set us apart) needed Mangongo to put in that performance? Any insight guys..zimlover wrote:All bow to coach mangongo and assistant grant flower will be taking over zim as the coach
ps Im biased so dont want to comment...whats your take?
1. Mawoyo 2. Duffin 3. Sibanda 4. Taylor 5. Masakadza 6. Williams 7. Chakabva 8. Creamer 9. Jarvis 10. Rainsford 11. Mpofu
Re: Match Thread - Zimbawe v Bangladesh 1st Test
Mangongo managed not to do enough damage for us to lose the match. We can say that for certain.
As to the winning of it... much harder to quantify.
As to the winning of it... much harder to quantify.
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how can anyone credit mangongo for this?
hes been in charge one game.
i highly doubt in the space of a week mangongo made taylor a better bat, and its BDesh we played ffs.
hes been in charge one game.
i highly doubt in the space of a week mangongo made taylor a better bat, and its BDesh we played ffs.
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FULL NAME: Angus James Mackay
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foreignfield
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What a great win! 
On the point of Mpofu, he will be back but not walk straight into the Test side (limited overs is a different proposition). I would say Shingi is similar in style, height, bounce, pace, and wicket-taking ability to Bobby, so his batting clearly gives him the edge (same applies, battingwise, for Chatara). That said, Shingi can still be erratic at times - there were a few overs when he was starting to spray it all over the place again - and he was not put under a lot of pressure.
I hope Shingi now get's the run in the side he deserves, similarly Meth has earned himself a few more Test matches. Together with Cremer this tail really eases my nerves.
Chigs at 6 sill looks risky to me.
But let's bring on the second Test!
On the point of Mpofu, he will be back but not walk straight into the Test side (limited overs is a different proposition). I would say Shingi is similar in style, height, bounce, pace, and wicket-taking ability to Bobby, so his batting clearly gives him the edge (same applies, battingwise, for Chatara). That said, Shingi can still be erratic at times - there were a few overs when he was starting to spray it all over the place again - and he was not put under a lot of pressure.
I hope Shingi now get's the run in the side he deserves, similarly Meth has earned himself a few more Test matches. Together with Cremer this tail really eases my nerves.
Chigs at 6 sill looks risky to me.
But let's bring on the second Test!
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foreignfield
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Re: Match Thread - Zimbawe v Bangladesh 1st Test
I haven't counted, but BT has stated numerous times over the last two years how much working with Grant helps him, just spending hour after hour with him in the nets -- I gather they did little else ever since he came back from the Carribean. Of course playing at home also helps.
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Making Mangongo the substantive coach will backfire in the long run. He is a recipe for racial polarisation IMO. What would you expect from someone who publicly claims to be the best in town? Will he respect the office of the captain?
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Re: Match Thread - Zimbawe v Bangladesh 1st Test
Disagree. Mpofu is not a strike bowler which Shingi is. Shingi is way quicker. Mpofu is more consistant and has a slower ball and without being spectacular effective. Agreed with Shingi being erratic.foreignfield wrote:What a great win!
On the point of Mpofu, he will be back but not walk straight into the Test side (limited overs is a different proposition). I would say Shingi is similar in style, height, bounce, pace, and wicket-taking ability to Bobby, so his batting clearly gives him the edge (same applies, battingwise, for Chatara). That said, Shingi can still be erratic at times - there were a few overs when he was starting to spray it all over the place again - and he was not put under a lot of pressure.
I hope Shingi now get's the run in the side he deserves, similarly Meth has earned himself a few more Test matches. Together with Cremer this tail really eases my nerves.
Chigs at 6 sill looks risky to me.
But let's bring on the second Test!
Id say Shingi is a shoe in for Jarvis who currently is our best Test bowler. Mpofu is also versertile in that he can attack or hold.
Meth's lack of pace and early swing is hardly going to fox anyone but Bangladesh. He is more of a better replacement for Mpofu but he too can be erratic.
I did say I was worried about our attack of Jarvis Meth Shingi and Cremer..its just asking for a spanking against a pontent batting lineup.
Personally
Test: Cremer Jarvis (Shingi) Raisford Mpofu (Meth)
ODI: Chigs Cremer Shingi Mpofu Vitori (Chatara)
1. Mawoyo 2. Duffin 3. Sibanda 4. Taylor 5. Masakadza 6. Williams 7. Chakabva 8. Creamer 9. Jarvis 10. Rainsford 11. Mpofu
Re: Match Thread - Zimbawe v Bangladesh 1st Test
So, after the WI terrible losses I was livid! We embarrassed ourselves and a few weeks later we wallop Bangladesh at home. It's only one Test mind you and so a little premature but I wanted to sort out my feelings properly. I don't think I am a knee-jerk kind of fan, so here goes.
Firstly, we don't tour well. At all. To compound this wherever we tour we are likely to be more widely televised than home matches. So in the eyes of the world, the view is always negatively skewed and this matters. But since we don't tour well, then we must play at least as many games at home as away. That way we have a chance of a more reflective record. Also, it's about time we play more, 3 Test series should be standard, 2 minimum, can we really be outclassed 3 times in a row over and over again?
The second point is that we have a 1st class structure. I bet most BD fans are feeling like we did after the WI tour but we have the Logan Cup that has been the basis of our performance, good or bad. The fact that Heath and the coaches know that Shingi has more stamina than Chatara is because of the FC game. We don't have a lot of funds in the game but that is the goose there, without it there's no egg - golden or otherwise. So let's do our best to make sure we have the Logan Cup to feed players into the national team so that if we have players who aren't up to it, who are embarrassing the whole nation, who crack under pressure - then we can replace them. That also keeps so-called seniors motivated.
Finally, I know I wanted to throw the baby out with the water after the WI performances. I had a rant here where I suggested we throw the whole lot of them out (to be fair I wanted to spare Jarvis, Mawoyo and Chatara) and place our hopes on the young ones. This was rightly based on the fear that we are on the way to losing our test status. That performance in the Caribbean proved to me we were inferior to BD and possibly Ireland and Afghanistan as well. BUT, we have shown fight. Not least from Taylor and Cremer, both woeful on tour but full of fighting spirit at home. Fighting spirit I thought we would lose with Price's gentle retirement. Jarvis is proving that he is learning with more experience (hence he'll be even better as we play more), Shingi, Chatara, Meth, Vitori and even Chigs and Mpofu (not forgetting Hami
) prove that we have stock in reserve if we manage it well. Querl & Co. can then join the party in a few years' time if we keep it going. So there, I was wrong.
But I wasn't wrong about worrying about the mental frailty of the team, particularly batting wise. I still believe in the top order line, if fit, of Mawoyo, Vusi, Hami and Taylor. Now with those 4, the odds must always be that collectively they should put at least 150 to 200 on the board, regardless of individual form. That Taylor did it proves that it can be done. Next match someone else needs to step up. What was more pleasing about the WI (with Ervine) and BD (Cremer, Waller and Meth) was the middle order/upper tail resistance. Next time it could be Chigs, Mutumbami or Williams. That's how we build stiffness. But we have an attitude problem towards spin, even in a pitch without demons we wilted at the sight of Ajmal. Same thing with Shillingford. So that concern still remains valid.
So what does this mean about this big win (assuming of course we respond well in the 2nd Test)? Well, let's stick with this group, move heaven and earth to pay players their wages and give them adequate support staff. Let's make sure we don't allow the Logan Cup to die. And let us allow mistakes on the field, none of us are perfect; accept lows and highs. I expect that if we maintain this level (and sort out the batting mental strength) we should compete with NZ and WI too. That was perhaps the most disturbing aspect of the last 2 tours. Losing to these guys isn't a problem, massive loss of confidence against them is. But I'm glad we seem to have more fixtures this year.
Firstly, we don't tour well. At all. To compound this wherever we tour we are likely to be more widely televised than home matches. So in the eyes of the world, the view is always negatively skewed and this matters. But since we don't tour well, then we must play at least as many games at home as away. That way we have a chance of a more reflective record. Also, it's about time we play more, 3 Test series should be standard, 2 minimum, can we really be outclassed 3 times in a row over and over again?
The second point is that we have a 1st class structure. I bet most BD fans are feeling like we did after the WI tour but we have the Logan Cup that has been the basis of our performance, good or bad. The fact that Heath and the coaches know that Shingi has more stamina than Chatara is because of the FC game. We don't have a lot of funds in the game but that is the goose there, without it there's no egg - golden or otherwise. So let's do our best to make sure we have the Logan Cup to feed players into the national team so that if we have players who aren't up to it, who are embarrassing the whole nation, who crack under pressure - then we can replace them. That also keeps so-called seniors motivated.
Finally, I know I wanted to throw the baby out with the water after the WI performances. I had a rant here where I suggested we throw the whole lot of them out (to be fair I wanted to spare Jarvis, Mawoyo and Chatara) and place our hopes on the young ones. This was rightly based on the fear that we are on the way to losing our test status. That performance in the Caribbean proved to me we were inferior to BD and possibly Ireland and Afghanistan as well. BUT, we have shown fight. Not least from Taylor and Cremer, both woeful on tour but full of fighting spirit at home. Fighting spirit I thought we would lose with Price's gentle retirement. Jarvis is proving that he is learning with more experience (hence he'll be even better as we play more), Shingi, Chatara, Meth, Vitori and even Chigs and Mpofu (not forgetting Hami
) prove that we have stock in reserve if we manage it well. Querl & Co. can then join the party in a few years' time if we keep it going. So there, I was wrong.But I wasn't wrong about worrying about the mental frailty of the team, particularly batting wise. I still believe in the top order line, if fit, of Mawoyo, Vusi, Hami and Taylor. Now with those 4, the odds must always be that collectively they should put at least 150 to 200 on the board, regardless of individual form. That Taylor did it proves that it can be done. Next match someone else needs to step up. What was more pleasing about the WI (with Ervine) and BD (Cremer, Waller and Meth) was the middle order/upper tail resistance. Next time it could be Chigs, Mutumbami or Williams. That's how we build stiffness. But we have an attitude problem towards spin, even in a pitch without demons we wilted at the sight of Ajmal. Same thing with Shillingford. So that concern still remains valid.
So what does this mean about this big win (assuming of course we respond well in the 2nd Test)? Well, let's stick with this group, move heaven and earth to pay players their wages and give them adequate support staff. Let's make sure we don't allow the Logan Cup to die. And let us allow mistakes on the field, none of us are perfect; accept lows and highs. I expect that if we maintain this level (and sort out the batting mental strength) we should compete with NZ and WI too. That was perhaps the most disturbing aspect of the last 2 tours. Losing to these guys isn't a problem, massive loss of confidence against them is. But I'm glad we seem to have more fixtures this year.