[Match Thread] Zimbabwe v Bangladesh: 2nd Test

[Kriterion_BD]

Also, betterdays...we haven't addressed the quality of the bad calls.

The one's against ZIM are no less wrong, but they're your "regulation" bad calls. The one's against us, especially this innings have been HOWLERS. Chigs coulnd't have been plumber. Tamim's edge was missing by about a bat width. Ashraful's lbw the ball would have missed leg by 2 inches. 1 howler is bad, 2 unacceptable. We've gotten 3 in less than a session.

[Jemisi]

Chigs gets a chance to shine with the ball

[eugene]

I'll readily admit that I'm as much of a fanboy of Mutumbami as certain others on this forum are of Ervine, but I'm pretty convinced we're on to something here. Playing at the Rocks either crushes your soul or steels you for greater things!

There are Ervine fans on this forum? Must be the long lost hhm.

[betterdays]

Only if Bangladesh wins. If they lose thats pretty big. We're at 147-3 right now when it should be 147-1. Thats a pretty huge discrepancy.
yup ... and if BD wins ... I'll always wonder how much difference another 25 from Shingi (like the first test) in a 40 run partnership closing the lead to 70/75 might have helped pile on a bit more pressure to BD, who have wobbled a little under less pressure. Context is everything...

Have you ever heard of the "circular flow" of money? Something similar can be extended to the concept of run scoring in cricket. Suppose Shingi had scored an extra 25. Suppose Chakabva scored another 25. Thats an extra 50 runs, right? Now subtract 13 from Chigs score because he should have been out on 73 (fair is fair). Thats an extra 37 to ZIM's total, lets call it 40. That takes our lead down to 70.

Now being generous, Tamim would have likely scored 50...that is 43 runs right there, he alone negating Shingi + Chakabva. In fact, ZIM still comes out 6 runs on top. Had Tamim hit a 100, thats a bonus 56 runs for ZIM. Moving onto, Ashraful. Purely based on averages, he would have scored another 20. Thats a net differential of +76 runs total for ZIM so far. Lets see what happens with Shakib, Mushfiq, and Nasir's dismissals.

This is just based on the umpire decisions.

suppose shingi had scored a half century, suppose Chaks had too, suppose Tamim was out next ball anyway...I suppose we agree that the umpiring hasn't been great!

[brmtaylor.com admin]

I'd like to see someone under the bat for Chigumbura. And instead of just a silly mid on for Cremer, why not a silly mid off as well? He has a fantastic wrong-un, leave someone under the bat to tell the batsman that it is coming.

[Kriterion_BD]

With umpiring decisions... it's swings and roundabouts. Both teams are on the receiving end of shockers every now and then, over time it evens out. It's part of cricket.

I can't comment on ZIM's other matches. Much of the frustration has only a little to do with this series and nothing to do with ZIM's team or fans.

For some idea of reference if you are interested: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmPuazgJqOQ and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0uZFE7EV1M

But for the purpose of this discussion, for this series, and especially for this match...they haven't evened out. Not even close. 3-0 is not even. Its not close to being even.

[betterdays]

Also, betterdays...we haven't addressed the quality of the bad calls.

The one's against ZIM are no less wrong, but they're your "regulation" bad calls. The one's against us, especially this innings have been HOWLERS. Chigs coulnd't have been plumber. Tamim's edge was missing by about a bat width. Ashraful's lbw the ball would have missed leg by 2 inches. 1 howler is bad, 2 unacceptable. We've gotten 3 in less than a session.

where outs become a matter of hypothesis, howlers are a matter of opinion (but even more dependant on perspective) my perspective was "WTF, i heard that nick in my kitchen (this is on two rooms away btw) how could he not give that" ... one of the Zim commentators says about your 2"lbw: "or it could having been mowing down leg stump, leg stump is also part of the game" ... he later says of the press box adjacent (BD commentators) : "in the box next door they're saying that even if there were two sets of stumps the lbw was missing..."

but, so far, the umpiring has left us talking and that's usually a bad sign

[betterdays]

But for the purpose of this discussion, for this series, and especially for this match...they haven't evened out. Not even close. 3-0 is not even. Its not close to being even.

and here is where perspective is so evident ... [ you judge on quality of decisions while i judge on timing/situation] the really important bad decisions - which could have turned the match - have all gone against Zim (that's my perspective)

[brmtaylor.com admin]

With umpiring decisions... it's swings and roundabouts. Both teams are on the receiving end of shockers every now and then, over time it evens out. It's part of cricket.

I can't comment on ZIM's other matches. Much of the frustration has only a little to do with this series and nothing to do with ZIM's team or fans.

For some idea of reference if you are interested: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmPuazgJqOQ and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0uZFE7EV1M

But for the purpose of this discussion, for this series, and especially for this match...they haven't evened out. Not even close. 3-0 is not even. Its not close to being even.

I'm not talking about this series. I'm talking about over the course of a career. For every dodgy LBW Ashraful has been given out on I bet you'll find at least another given not out which would have gone on to hit. I will grant that maybe players from the lesser nations are on the receiving end a bit more... unintentionally, umpires will probably be more willing to give a marginal Ashraful decision out than a marginal Kallis decision out.

But like I said, it's part of cricket and has been ever since an umpire walked on to a cricket field for the first time. Sometimes they go your way, sometimes they don't.

[Kriterion_BD]

suppose shingi had scored a half century, suppose Chaks had too, suppose Tamim was out next ball anyway...I suppose we agree that the umpiring hasn't been great!

The point of predicitions is to be based on the data at hand. If you agree to that then you can only go on reputation and in that case Reputation of Tamim > rep of ZIM's entire batting lineup. If we just make random baseless suppossitions, then its perfectly within reason that Tamim could have gotten 200 off 150.