Race Storm Hits Zim Cricket

[Ming]

However I feel that it will be harder for Zimbabwe to move on than country's such as the Congo sand Rawanda, due to the fact that the division in society runs so deep that we will never be able to shake them off, and we are not just talking about the race card.

Even though I lost two friends in the political violence of the mid-2000's, one has to acknowledge that for the most part, we don't settle our differences Rwanda style...thank goodness. That being said, a war was fought to bring about independence, and in the 1980's in my primary school, there were children, both black and white who had lost relatives and fathers in the bloodshed. Previous to that, 4 or 5 generations of an oppressive, in-egalitarian system. You don't get over that as a country that easily...

And here we are arguing about cricket: I doubt they have this kind of problem in Congo or Rwanda

[cock]

Reading all the articles on this race row is not good for Zim Cricket. Many writing in seem to think that Givemore is a saint and Minister Coltart is the emeny. If Givemore is such a saint why did he immediately after this race row blew up fire the only local white player he had playing at the Rocks. Racism works both ways and it must be stopped for the good of cricket. Everyone is talking about the people behind the scenes and not on the players who are trying to build Zimbabwe Cricket. The most important people in Zim Cricket are the players so let them play in harmony without all this behind scene fighting and if players such as Jarvis step out of line they must be punished

[foreignfield]

http://www.espncricinfo.com/zimbabwe/co ... 01295.html

Let's hope that's that. Fingers crossed.

[aydee]

http://www.espncricinfo.com/zimbabwe/co ... 01295.html

Let's hope that's that. Fingers crossed.

Fingers crossed indeed.

Storm in a teacup...

[CrimsonAvenger]

Yes, there is a revision, but just out of interest, I'm trying to understand this in a little more detail: a "minority" of the selection panel can contain non-national players, which is fine. But if Makoni was fighting for his job, then he might still be in trouble.

1. If Mangongo becomes coach, he would be one of the 3 selectors, and to make him minority, the other two must be ex-national players, which rules out Makoni from selectorial job.

2. If either GF or Streak gets the coaching job, Makoni can at least get into the selection panel with the minority quota, in a non-convener role. Mangongo would suffer.

3. Another way for both of them to get onto selection panel is for ZC to increase the number of selectors to 5, so that they both can get in as minority

So, Its Makoni Vs Mangongo now!

Who do you think will become the convener? James? or will someone new get it? May be outside chances for Viljoen / Nkala?

[bayhaus]

So nothing much has changed cos if you can qualifiy to be part of the panel by merig why not also chair the same panel. So you are a junior member no matter how long or well you serve in that capacity. And any player just cos they hace played Int can waltz in and be convenor. So there is entitlement all over again. Viljoen is AC croney and they have probably been orchetrating it together all along. And yes Makoni is fighting for his position cos its in that capacity he has caused these issues, not as a general selector. I certainly hope its not buried cos for me its just cosmetic. Now that it had started i say we might as well get it over and done with and address the issues. Thats the problem with our players as well that they are not willing to act as a group to fix these probs once and for all. And selection is really not the problem with ZC.

[FlowerPower]

Interestingly interpreted CrimsonAvenger, optimistic as I am, I predict more toys out the pram if BOTH don't get in, buckle up for more of the same mudslinging until the two self crowned princes get their way...if they don't get their way Herald will be again retained as the mouth piece of choice, and pitches may be dug up, shame their good work for black cricket is sacrificed for self gratification when both could be achieved without devalue.... (was it McBeth..."if chance will crown me king, why chance will crown me without my stir"....we all know how he discarded this noble line of thought en lieu of expedience, with dire consequences. I wish no one ill may cricket be the winner in the end.

[Ming]

... cos for me its just cosmetic...

Yes indeed! In French there's an expression 'un emplatre sur une jambe de bois', which, roughly translated means that it's as effective as putting a sticking plaster on a wooden leg!

I'm no fan of the tactics Makoni has used in this saga, but this is not going to make the problem go away, whatever your stance on the issue may be.

[hhm]

You sum it up very well CrimsonAvenger.

The one thing that confuses me though is how you arrive at a conclusion that it's Mangongo vs Makoni now; or an extended 5(Mangongo-coach, Makoni-selector, James-selector, plus two other selectors with on of the 3 latter being a convenor); as opposed to "it still smirks of a desperate measure from the AC-Coltart camp to retain power." The guys here have rightly written this off as a cosmetic exercise.

I'm interested in finding out what how powerful this Technical Committee is, of which AC is part. What role does it play in appointments? That's my concern at this stage.

Coltart may have jumped on the revered Kirsty Coventry's accommodating advice that key and majority selectors be former sports persons, but the two conflicting reports on Cricinfo clearly show that Coltart and his Camp back-tracked. Cheap political mileage, and if you contrast that with visibly limited intelligence for a lawyer, he's well and trully converted to a bona fide politician.

Since they still insist it's effective 1 Feb, ahead of the crucial tour(unless of course they back-track again and say effective changes will be made at a time set by ZC), the only way both those two can be selectors, is as you say CA selectors are increased to five. I certainly hope Peter Chingoka and the board will decide that way and make it a 5 consisting of Mangongo as Coach, plus the four of Makoni, Mutendera, Maregwede and James as selectors, with Mutendera as the Convenor. Alester's form, despite picking up a bit this season, has been on a gradual decline. He has little to offer his franchise in terms of keeping or batting, apart from holding back some of the young keeper-batsmen. He certainly needs a career going forward. This will create an opening for him.

Although a Ndebele voice is required, in light of the Dube noises I don't want Nkala's proximity to Heath & Coltart creating anti-transformation problems! Future generations depend on the complete success of that policy. Nkala just got back to playing, backs himself to do well, so he should focus on his cricket.

I can assure you that while the capitalist media shied away from exposing the blatantly obvious scheming of Coltart, AC & Co, they will be quick to point out the Black majority, and their young years.

We should thank Coltart. His mention of Dube means that anyone who's played just one ODI or one Test, or even an International List A or FC fixture for Zimbabwe XI/A/President Select etc, will satisfy his minimum requirements. For as long as he does not withdraw that name(in the process further disgracing himself, it means in a few years, virtually the entire population of Black payers will be eligible as selectors - ahead of their mentors/coaches Steve & Givemore! Smart fellow that Coltart is. Very smart. Give him a Bells!

[bayhaus]

So the convenor of selectors travels with the team and is responsible for the XI that plays. So Givemore will be demoted and his wish will be overturned and in WI. I seriously hope this issue is not bruched aside and ACs role in all this hopefully will be revealed for all to see and Coltart needs to deal with AC and his power. And this is not a race issue. AC and those he is in cahoots with OZ etc are the biggest culprits in this saga and their wings need to be clipped. Otherwise we are not going anywhere.