[Match Thread ] Singapore Tri Nation T20I Game 3 | SIN v ZIM

[Googly]

Brian Chari is an example of what I meant when I said you cant afford to play people who have to force shots. 9 deliveries for 2 runs chasing 180 in 18 overs. Ultimately cost us the game

You can’t say that. You can look at any blunder we made and blame that. At the end of the day it’s usually a team game and it’s a combination of factors. We choked at the end is the main reason. What we really need to do is get to the bottom of this, we do it more often than not. It’s in our national psyche. We rarely get into a position that will enable us to choke, but when we do we invariably have the same gag reflex that I exhibit if I smell tequila.

John Ward’s article mentioned this, he said that Flower was the only guy that had proper DF and even Flower himself occasionally bemoaned his team mates’ ability to roll over. It comes down to self belief, even if it’s misplaced.

[Googly]

If we keep losing we have to blame someone, it’s human nature. I blame SRC and Coventry for not having the balls to have called the bluff and ended this had ZC not packed their bags.
ZC won’t voluntarily step down from their hobby of raiding the cookie jar, it had to prized out of their cold dead fingers.
Lest we forget- the players have given ZC their vote of confidence, they didn’t and don’t want change, and I blame them, and will keep reminding as each new disaster unfolds, there’s plenty to come, no turning this around.

[TapsC]

The mentality thing is true. The players who played yesterday are professionals. They should have never lost that game. The issue isnt losing for me but bounceback-ability. The next game will just be business as usual which is the annoying part. Losing happens. Even India sent a C team to Zim and lost a game. Its about being clinical in the follow up. We dont have that.

[Googly]

Well if you can call guys without a central contract and on a franchise contract of about $200 a month when ZC bother to pay them, professionals, then I suppose they qualify as pros. Most don’t know the meaning of the word.

[brmtaylor.com admin]

If we keep losing we have to blame someone, it’s human nature. I blame SRC and Coventry for not having the balls to have called the bluff and ended this had ZC not packed their bags.
ZC won’t voluntarily step down from their hobby of raiding the cookie jar, it had to prized out of their cold dead fingers.
Lest we forget- the players have given ZC their vote of confidence, they didn’t and don’t want change, and I blame them, and will keep reminding as each new disaster unfolds, there’s plenty to come, no turning this around.

I agree Googly. That will be the moment that's looked back upon as the defining moment in Zim's downfall. Obviously the rot started long ago, but when there was the chance - no matter how slim - for serious change to be effected, the SRC folded even quicker than our middle order did against Singapore yesterday.

I hope we play one more Test match against a top 9 side, just so us here have the chance to have a proper match thread one more time and see our good players get a final chance against decent opposition. T20's against Singapore and ODIs against PNG or whoever are willing to play us... it's all kind of pathetic really.

[encore]

I really think you guys are blaming the wrong things here and blowing things out of proportion.

I don't understand how a "full strength" ZIM can get so embarassed by IRE and NED, and you fail to introspect at that point.

Yes Singapore is pathetic, but a proper ZIM T20 side will never lose to SIN & NEP. The problem is a proper ZIM team did lose to IRE & NED. The question is why?

I wasn't here, and I have not read anything from anyone really trying to explain those losses beyond pointing fingers at the form of Hami on those tours.

ZIM is losing because there is no accountability and clarity for the players.

Why should Regis and Mutumbami be worried about failing to score tons against SIN&NEP (like the younger Matsis, Rogers etc vs BD etc), when they know their competition is a Moor, and not a Murray/Sauramba?

Why should Williams and Raza be worried about not taking fifers and scoring tons when they know their competition is Mutombodzi, not Musakanda/Zhuwao or Mavuta/Chisoro if they were considered specialists?

Why should Madziva push when he knows his competition is Jakiel instead of Jongwe/Mashinge?

I don't like Alistair Cambell for various reasons, but he has usually been brutally honest about how ZIM use their players - batting positions, specialist bowling, true allrounders, proper keepers. AC as Convenor of Selectors, has dropped Sean, Hami, Craig, Cremer, Jarvis and Price from squads for specific genuine cricket reasons not politics, with some new/form players coming in Mushangwe, Mutombodzi, Mutizwa, Malcolm Waller etc to fulfill specific roles. That all stopped when he stopped being a Selector.

There are holy cows today. I said it back then - you will pay later for this entitlement. The European tour was a case in point.

[Googly]

ZIM is losing because there is no accountability and clarity for the players.

Encore you have to stop playing this game. It’s not why they are losing. We don’t have the players because the system has collapsed because of shocking and blatant ineptitude, mismanagement, corruption, theft, politicking and racism. You’re the one making me like a parrot.
We don’t have players of international caliber because the system is broken. The fact that it limps along means that it’s actually broken, it can’t half work! It’s the opposite of what you preach.
It’s like a guy with a 1973 Mazda pick up trying to compete against Colin Mcrae in an Audi Quattro in the World Rally Championship, sure he’s got a vehicle and he’s on the start line so in theory there’s a race, but he’s only going to win if the Audi crashes
I’ve got a simple question for you- how many good young batsmen do we have in our franchise system younger than 25? And bowlers? This tells you everything you need to know.
This was all supposedly done to making the playing field skewed in favor of the disenfranchised, but the reality on the ground is that not one really good guy has materialized in over a decade!!!!! So then you have to rightfully conclude that they did all of this to get their hands on the money and you’ve all been tricked. Boom!! there’s your answer. They only want it to limp along for as long S possible for self gain.
If you gave ZC 100 million to fix this they couldn’t do it, they don’t have the skills, that’s the other problem.

[TapsC]

Another thing we are ignoring is that we pay the national players way too much leaving nothing for domestic players. Until you create a system where 1 does not need a national contract to survive we will never have a strong domestic setup. This isnt knocking BT ot Jarvis but all of them. None of these guys deserve to get more than 5k with their shit shows right now.

Also in terms of retiring these senior players why is it Bangladesh can play a 19 year old rookie in an international match and we cant. Honestly speaking. A lot of people have forgotten we didnt play test cricket for years coz we were crap. People act like BT Williams Raza and Ervine just woke up playing good cricket. They were given the opportunity to fail over and over again before they became decent. Let them go 1 by 1.

It is almost criminal to see how many times the likes of burl musakanda jongwe Mutombodzi madziva have played international cricket. How do you expect them to improve? If Mire could live off reputationfor 18 months why not Musakanda? We have a serious selection problem. They all need to be fired.

[TapsC]

ZIM is losing because there is no accountability and clarity for the players.

Encore you have to stop playing this game. It’s not why they are losing. We don’t have the players because the system has collapsed because of shocking and blatant ineptitude, mismanagement, corruption, theft, politicking and racism. You’re the one making me like a parrot.
We don’t have players of international caliber because the system is broken. The fact that it limps along means that it’s actually broken, it can’t half work! It’s the opposite of what you preach.
It’s like a guy with a 1973 Mazda pick up trying to compete against Colin Mcrae in an Audi Quattro in the World Rally Championship, sure he’s got a vehicle and he’s on the start line so in theory there’s a race, but he’s only going to win if the Audi crashes
I’ve got a simple question for you- how many good young batsmen do we have in our franchise system younger than 25? And bowlers? This tells you everything you need to know.
This was all supposedly done to making the playing field skewed in favor of the disenfranchised, but the reality on the ground is that not one really good guy has materialized in over a decade!!!!! So then you have to rightfully conclude that they did all of this to get their hands on the money and you’ve all been tricked. Boom!! there’s your answer. They only want it to limp along for as long S possible for self gain.
If you gave ZC 100 million to fix this they couldn’t do it, they don’t have the skills, that’s the other problem.

I agree with the last part. They dont have the vision to see what needs to be done

[robbocricket]

I really think you guys are blaming the wrong things here and blowing things out of proportion.

I don't understand how a "full strength" ZIM can get so embarassed by IRE and NED, and you fail to introspect at that point.

Yes Singapore is pathetic, but a proper ZIM T20 side will never lose to SIN & NEP. The problem is a proper ZIM team did lose to IRE & NED. The question is why?

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I watched the Irealnd and Netherland matches on the live video streams

The answer as to why they lost is quite simple

Zim just weren't good enough - what else needs to be said ?