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[Kriterion_BD]

Thats so wrong.

The rights playbook is basically call someone a communist when they disagree with their ideologies and excuse away behavior or stats that don't match their world view or protected groups.

The left tends to use common sense way more.
Look at the whole Fraser Anning ridiculousness and even when the bigotry was exposed a lot still rallied behind him.

All the fake morality and such.

Maybe the right are just easy to manipulate and gullible.

[Jemisi]

maybe you're both correct

[zimbos_05]

The right definitely don't use common sense more. I do agree there are some on the left who like to jump quickly to things like Nazism etc, but times it's correct.

The right would not be common sense if they say that communism and socialism are the same thing. The right would also not be common sense if they say things like climate change is fake.

[ZIMDOGGY]

The right definitely don't use common sense more. I do agree there are some on the left who like to jump quickly to things like Nazism etc, but times it's correct.

The right would not be common sense if they say that communism and socialism are the same thing. The right would also not be common sense if they say things like climate change is fake.

I appreciate you can at least see some of what myself, Jemisi, googly and a cameo appearance from Sloan are saying.

Secondly, I do agree that AMERICAN right wing politics equate communism to socialist policies, but do you honestly get the same vibe in Oz? I always felt that Medicare was bipartisan in Oz
And in terms of climate change, I have never gathered that the right feel that climate change is 'fake'. Not once.
What is clear however is the right often feel that climate change is a natural occurring event, because that's how it's been throughout history.
Do I agree? I don't know, but my instinct says there's some validity to that. Al Gore said the world would have ended this year, which it hasn't. The next thought to that is people will then say that it is an imperfect science.... and that's the truth. So I'm looking at how it plays out personally.
But I can't shake that image of that Balmain port image 100 ye
At ago juxtaposed with an image in 2019 where the sea levels are the same.
Can you see how that causes scepticism?

Btw, I hope you can see that my mind is open and all my thoughts are my thoughts from what I've seen, without trying to take sides. And aren't attacks. I go back to my thought from yesterday where echo chamber media have cemented political beliefs on both sides.

[zimbos_05]

Googly is losing me a lot because he is more harping on without actual fact and a lot of conjecture, and when retorted, refuses to look at the evidence and accept error. The rest of you I can definitely engage with because it comes across as respectful and I do enjoy political discussion, particularly if there is good discourse.

I do get a very similar vibe in Aus mostly because there are a lot of people who have been taking what is happening in the US and using it here, particularly politicians.

In the recent council election, there was a candidate whose whole ideology and marketing was straight from the Trump playbook. Even had the slogan, Make Logan Great Again.

There definitely are deniers within the Liberals and Nationals, Craig Kelly,Josh Frydenberg and Malcolm Roberts spring to mind. In the US you have James Inhofe, Mark Morano, Chris Horner to name a few. So denial definitely exists. Whilst there is difference on man made or not, there is definitely those who just work on denial and push forward with projects that benefit them financially, but destroy the environment.

I'm not sure I know of the Balmain image you speak of? Perhaps you can share? I do remember a lot of other images such as that of the arctic changes and the changes in the Mekong River and Barrier Reef. I do understand the Al Gore thing because he basically came out and doomed everyone, but just because he did not get it right, does not mean he was wrong about the idea. We can't expect that the actions we take have no effect on anything. Btw, its April and look at the shit storms we've had. Remember the bushfires too. Those were proven to not be arson as Dutton would have us believe.

I feel like there is an open mind. Like I said, I don't 100% agree with you. You have at times made misogynistic comments or been rather abrupt, which doesn't fully agree, but I can definitely a need to converse in an open manner, which is refreshing and enjoyable.

[Jemisi]

A lot of the climate change difficulty from a conservative viewpoint is less about the changes and more about the policy responses. Often the elites demand policy that is anti-plebian in the name of climate action. Then if one disagrees they're a 'denier' to be held along with those disbelievers in the holocaust as beneath contempt.

That is a contributing factor to the working class shifting votes from Labor to coalition.

[Googly]

That’s because I don’t agree with most of what you say
You want me to listen to fake news crap that you think backs up your claims. The fact is I do listen to it and disagree with it more each time. You can only listen to one version, that makes me a lot more broad minded than you.

[ZIMDOGGY]

I'm not sure I know of the Balmain image you speak of? Perhaps you can share?

I'm a bit hungover and underslept today so will re-engage debate tomorrow when I'm up to it. But here is the image in question.

It gets pimped out every so often in Facebook comments under climate change articles and that. One of many but one that sticks out.
Just one image but hard to Ignore.

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[Googly]

https://israelislamandendtimes.com/week ... cil-panel/

This is why Trump needs to win a second term, declare martial law and make himself president for life and drop many nuclear bombs on China, then go after the countries on the UN that voted for these evil scum bags.
Before he can do that he needs to hunt the lunatic left down in his own country, they’re yipping jackals taking advantage of some hard earned freedoms that they don’t deserve, you make examples of about ten of them and there will be silence. They should actually have conscription and wage a ground war against China, put those lefties on the front line or face the firing squad for desertion. Trump is the only person on the planet between us and yellow oblivion, especially in Africa!!

[zimbos_05]

That’s because I don’t agree with most of what you say
You want me to listen to fake news crap that you think backs up your claims. The fact is I do listen to it and disagree with it more each time. You can only listen to one version, that makes me a lot more broad minded than you.

Says the guy calling for armageddon and the killing of those who disagree with him.

I'm a bit hungover and underslept today so will re-engage debate tomorrow when I'm up to it. But here is the image in question.

It gets pimped out every so often in Facebook comments under climate change articles and that. One of many but one that sticks out.
Just one image but hard to Ignore.204CC9D6-F564-45D8-9201-9D05C8C14C13.jpeg

I mean, what you are showing here is the tide, not change in sea level. Tide is different at different times and not a reflection of sea level change.

Quick search finds that those photos are not 140 years apart, but instead between 99-162 years.

A spokesperson for the Australian Bureau of Meteorology (BOM) said sea levels have risen by between about 68mm and 105mm in Sydney Harbour between 1914 and 2007.

“Sea level varies throughout the day and year due to the influence of tides and seasonal shifts in weather systems,” the spokesperson said.

“Just as two single photographs of equivalent sea level, at a particular location, do not tell us whether the tide is coming in or going out, two single photographs from a location taken many years apart do not inform whether sea level is rising or falling over that period.

“A good analogy for this is that we don't find a picture of a hot summer’s day from 1950, and a picture from a cold winter’s day in 2010, and infer that there has been no warming trend over that time.”