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Jemisi wrote:Yeah, great idea Hhm. Let's send all the cronies to sit in the WI sun.
To be fair... We don't actually know whether or not their will be any suits having to time of their lives sitting next to a pool in the caribbean and sipping cocktails on the expenses card... So let's save up all the criticism for when it is actually confirmed that this is a better use of ZC funds than having Grant Flower dislocate his shoulder giving days of throwdowns...

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i get why they didnt bring the fitness chick on tour,

but they should have brought the flower/streak combo.


what happens if midway through the series the bowlers lose their way?

seeing the players before and after the game and on the field instead of tv would help them identify certain platyers strengths and weaknesses. every other time they can be used as trainers.


and regarding gillespie,
unfair to say he just used zimbabwe for his CV.
He had no obligation to ever move his family to zimbabwe in the first place..he is australian, he isnt like sean ervine who fled the country or isnt like duncan fletcher who is not putting into his old country. he was an outsider who helped us throughhis tenure, and a high profile one at that...shaun tait, warner, maybe nannes etc came to our t20 because of him. these guys were marketing gold. he also showed alot of dedication to the role and follows it more than the other foreign coaches i have seen. he hasnt poached players...he would probably send county players down to us.
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He came down to qualify for more meaningful assignments
The former fast bowler is moving to Zimbabwe to pursue a dream.

'EXPERIENCE required'' is a suffix to many job advertisements. In the expanding field of cricket coaching it even applies, as Jason Gillespie has discovered, to stalwarts with nine years of international playing experience behind them.
It is the reason Gillespie, 36, his wife Anna and their three pre-school-age boys are this weekend relocating from Adelaide to a city of 100,000 in central Zimbabwe for the next seven months - so he can fulfil that ''experience required'' clause.
As things stand, the b*stard owes Zim and he knows it!
Gillespie, 36, will serve the second year of his contract with MidWest Rhinos, "indebted" to the franchise that gave him the chance to become a head coach and launch a serious crack at the coaching caper.

"The Rhinos gave me the chance to put things into practice that I believe contribute to a successful team with simple, direct game plans," said 71-Test paceman Gillespie, who will arrive in Yorkshire once the Zimbabwe domestic season finishes in late February.

"It has been such a great learning curve. I will return at some stage to give back to Zimbabwe cricket."
I'm not being unfair. He just used Zimbabwe for his CV. If that wasn't the case he would have stayed longer than he will stay at Yorkshire. For a man as serious as him to climb the coaching ladder, he had no choice. Otherwise he would've just been a bowling coach, nothing more! He couldn't pass up the chance by waiting for the baby to grow, or leave them behind at that stage. Jason had bigger selfish ambitions! The only understanding person is the wife, to support her husband, but then again the 'pep talk' would've have often included 'we'll get something soon and be out of this hell-hole, meanwhile we might as well make the most of it'!

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Yeah, Gillespie used it as a stepping stone...so what? There's a whole bunch of players who learnt from a world-class bowler in the process. Ask Muzhange and Chinouya.
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What a bitter and twisted person you are hhm

Jason Gillespie went to Rhinos becasue he was offered a JOB OF WORK, nothing more and nothing less, just like thousands of other men and women in all walks of life and all fields of employment

"Jason had bigger selfish ambitions"

What Jason had was ambition, why on earth would he want to stay with an employer who can hardly pay the wages ?

Would you be selfish if you changed employers to one with far better prospects and better wages ?

You should think yourself, the Rhinos players and supporters and Zim cricket supporters as a whole that someone with his ability and experience went to Zim at all and passed on his knowledge and experience

As for your ludicrous "we'll get something soon and be out of this hell-hole ............", that's nothing more than a fairy story as well you know, you are the one trying to fool people hhm with another example of your blatant racism, it's a great shame that it wasn't someone like Otis Gibson and then we could see what your take would be on a black man earning his living

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The guy came to Zim to coach. He invested himself wholeheartedly, he keeps up with things in Zim and hopes to return again. How is any of that bastardry? Ambition is what separates a couch potato from a constructive member of society.
You cheer on the wasteful regime and whinge about a guy who successfully completed a contract.

You sadly continue to plumb the depths of nasty.

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Im not sure if that journalist is putting his own spin on things or they are in fact Gillys words But you act as if he came and plundered.

He saw out his contract, took the modest pay on offer then went to the higher pay in the safer country and left ZC in a better place than where he left it. Hes clearly thankful but he paid his dues and ZC and gill got mutual benefit. Its not as if ANYONE except sikander raza senior in the 0's really says to themselves one day 'oh that zimbabwe seems like a really nice country to go and move to and raise a small family".

"I will return at some stage to give back to Zimbabwe cricket"

he doesnt even have to do that, but he wants too. Thats the man he is and thats why he has been an asset. Someone like allan donald when he was coaching mountaineers who fled as soon as he could with no goodbye is more suited to your criticism.


Again remember, he has no inherent loyatly to ZIM. His only experience before 2009 was when blignauticus was tonking him around on his way to a quick fiddy in the 2003 world cup.


From memory your in the I.T industry arent you?

This would be a similar situation to you being offered a role to start up a programming system for the Liberian government, making it work, bringing in other useful employees with you downt the track, improving outpout for the liberian gov............................ then taking a management position thats offered to you from Barone, Budge & Dominick that pays big $$$ once the liberian contract has run its course.

What would you do?
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That's probably the only person involved with Zim cricket in any capacity who has referred to Gillespie as a bastard... Everything else I've ever heard about him has been fulsome in its praise...

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You miss the point altogether. Most former players are only prepared to work as bowling/batting coaches at international level only. Other than that, they want to work as a Head coach for a County side Shield/Ranji team or FC Franchise etc.

That's why this opportunity was too good to pass up. Get a head coach role in your CV, and your're assessed from a totally different angle.

Do you think Langer would've left Aus as assistant/batting coach to go and do the same role at WA? Not a chance. He knows this head Coach role gives him a better chance of being a Head Coach for a national side or at County level.

You said I was being unfair by saying GIllespie used Zim for his CV, I said I'm not and I backed it up. That's not being nasty, bitter or twisted. Anybody else would agree with me.

If he had done what he did to the Rhinos, to the Titans, that's what their fans would say as well. I'm pretty sure they'd have stronger Afrikaans words to say about his as well. :lol: Stop personalising things and focus on facts. Simple as that. Your view, my view. Your desperation to discredit the individual behind the good points, as opposed to responding intelligently, is preventing you from being reasonable. Play the ball, not the man. ;)
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I think you miss the point hhm. You called the bloke a bastard because he had the nerve to accept a better job. The irony is you later go on to say play the ball and not the man.

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